Magic pen vs armor pen and lethality

Vexed Hex·11/19/2016, 4:50:36 AM·4 votes·2,291 views

So is it just me or is there starting to become a great disparity in the game between Magic classes and AD classes as far as items go, especially for magic pen. We just recently lost abyssal scepter as an mr reducer so that leaves us with what 3 items to pick from now? Void staff, Liandry's and boots..... All the while AD is getting Lord Dominik's regards, Mortal Reminder, Youmuu's, Black cleaver, Edge of night, Duskblade, did i miss any? That is 6 to our 3. On top of this magic pen stats are always far lower and less effective than armor and lethality. As it stands if an enemy champion builds two MR items it becomes very hard to deal with them and they can still just walk up to you and delete you.

On top of this they also removed mana regen for all ap casters from the game so we lost lane sustain. All the while Ad casters are unaffected and some dont even have to worry at all about mana. So we end up having to recall at times just for mana. I feel riot is trying to force the game into an all out AD brawl and push all ap into just support roles.

And even more insult to injury there are more items that both give magic resist and AD damage. Edge of night, Maw, Mercurial, Dervish blade if you want attack speed and MR. What do we get to fend off ad and get ability power Zhonya's that has been nerfed recently mind you and piece of junk that no one will ever use moonflair.

Riot i would like to see some more AP items in game to help close this gap between the two roles. I am tired of becoming obsolete near the end game because i lack the items to do well. I am sick of landing all of my abilities on an enemy and them walking away nearly unscathed or to have them flash or use a gap close and blow me up in less than a second. Its getting old.....FAST

11 Comments

WoonStruck11/19/2016, 5:35:06 AM4 votes

Mages have 50+ less resists to go through at level 18.

And Void still goes through 35% of ALL Magic Resist.

AthenasVendetta11/19/2016, 5:09:58 AM3 votes

Not to mention that the problem wasn't magic pen it was trying to build MR against them while remaining relevant.

CerealBoxOfDoom11/19/2016, 5:19:21 AM3 votes

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So is it just me or is there starting to become a great disparity in the game between Magic classes and AD classes as far as items go, especially for magic pen.

disparity? Why do AP and AD need to be the same

We just recently lost abyssal scepter as an mr reducer so that leaves us with what 3 items to pick from now?

item 3001 gives % magic damage increase which is essentially what it has always done by reducing MR

Void staff, Liandry's and boots..... All the while AD is getting Lord Dominik's regards, Mortal Reminder, Youmuu's, Black cleaver, Edge of night, Duskblade, did i miss any? That is 6 to our 3.

irrelevant, MR itemization isn't even the same as armor if you look beyond raw stats

On top of this magic pen stats are always far lower and less effective than armor and lethality. As it stands if an enemy champion builds two MR items it becomes very hard to deal with them and they can still just walk up to you and delete you.

On top of this they also removed mana regen for all ap casters from the game so we lost lane sustain. All the while Ad casters are unaffected and some dont even have to worry at all about mana. So we end up having to recall at times just for mana. I feel riot is trying to force the game into an all out AD brawl and push all ap into just support roles.

And even more insult to injury there are more items that both give magic resist and AD damage. Edge of night, Maw, Mercurial, Dervish blade if you want attack speed and MR. What do we get to fend off ad and get ability power Zhonya's that has been nerfed recently mind you and piece of junk that no one will ever use moonflair.

Riot i would like to see some more AP items in game to help close this gap between the two roles. I am tired of becoming obsolete near the end game because i lack the items to do well. I am sick of landing all of my abilities on an enemy and them walking away nearly unscathed or to have them flash or use a gap close and blow me up in less than a second. Its getting old.....FAST

you seriously underestimate AP

Handy Sandy 11/19/2016, 4:56:50 AM3 votes

Assassins are all supposed to COUNTER mages. Mages tend to have long range and cc, which makes them able to kite.

With a item 3135 item 3020 that's more than enough magic penetration for Ahri Cassiopeia Brand Karthus Orianna Ziggs Zyra Viktor Velkoz etc. ability to kite

Don't forget about good old item 3116

Vexed Hex11/19/2016, 5:40:18 AM1 votes

If abilities didnt cost so much so that we could kite you down and still have enough mana to finish the job then yah sure. But that is not the case as it stands.

Micbran11/19/2016, 4:48:30 PM1 votes

Playing mordekaiser, I can usually get about 50 flat mpen. Abyssal is still pretty good and most champions have far less MR than they do armor. I think Magic penetration is STRONGER than lethality.

VoraciousX12/10/2016, 12:01:49 AM1 votes

So what are Mage Assassins supposed to do? If I'm Katarina with a void staff I can't scratch anyone's MR. A full rotation without ult will do maybe 1/20th(Maybe I'm exaggerating but it's still not much) of a BRUISER'S HP with a maw. I can build abyssal, but since I don't really have high damage output I don't feel like anything I build does damage to someone with a maw and merc treads let alone more. I mean yeah bruisers aren't an assassin's target but most of them have some form of stun and I can't kill the ADC with that much CC and tankiness(to me) around. Of course I haven't faced many tanky champions since she was buffed so I can't account that it makes her decent now or not but I know for sure before she wasn't worth anything with even one MR item.