ZAC...needs a balance change

09bigboy·11/18/2014, 4:50:38 AM·18 votes·3,050 views

I like zac and hes fun, but in all fairness, hes not there... he has just been crapped on so hard and nerfed to no end. now while ppl are roaming free and wild op as ever, we still have champs like zac sitting in the corner barely unplayed..

I thought league was meant to play variety.. not seeing a caitlyn, akali etc every game....

I like zac and hes ....ok..... but i think there can be a bit of balance changes..

fyi, im not making this cause their is a zac post already so im not just trying to "fit in"... -.-

i enjoy zac a lot and still play him but i think he can have some changes, as well as the previous post with his passive :p

27 Comments

Hayaishi11/18/2014, 5:00:25 AM10 votes

We first need a meta where tanks that are not called Maokai or Alistar are not crappy.

I Kill Commies11/18/2014, 9:56:39 AM4 votes

Go to old GD. Take a look at posts from June -July 2013. Literally every other post was a QQ thread about Zac with 20+ upvotes. The GD idiots don't allow anything to be strong. If any champ is viable then people go on a witch hunt and demand that said champ be nerfed. Then after the champ is nerfed they make these kinds of threads and complain that the champ is not viable, and also get upvotes.

poopoo peepee11/18/2014, 4:52:48 AM2 votes

It almost feels like, from what I know about his, which is nothing, that he could be so much more viable if he had mana, because then he could build Rod of Ages. I mean, thats an amazing item for ap tanks. HIs damage could use an upping, or just increase his base stats.

09bigboy11/18/2014, 4:59:41 AM2 votes

its his damage... compared to what? voli, renekton etc top lane bulles

zac is completely no where near where they are... his damage so doo doo and all hes good for atm is being a giant meat shield ulting and essentially dying

IronChefBoyardee11/18/2014, 12:56:20 PM2 votes

He just needs a few QoL buffs, slightly higher % dmg on w, maybe health scaling on it instead of AP scaling, slightly higher base damages. Just little tweaks, not major overhauls.

BastionKross11/18/2014, 2:18:24 PM2 votes

He needs more damage in some form, but he won't get it. Back when he still had decent damage people were complaining left and right about him. As it turns out, a tank that uses HP as his resource but that also has a passive that restores his HP as well as also being a revive is strong as hell.

DrMundo would have the same problem, but his damage output is just fine since his %HP damage doesn't scale with AP like Zac does. Also Mundo doesn't revive on his own, because that would be scary.

Saruyan11/18/2014, 6:00:10 AM1 votes

the changes he needs are to how his chunklets drop, in teamfights it is absolutely random, and even though it says it will drop somewhere between you and your enemy with slightly advantage to zac, in lane situations it usually ends up closer to your opponent, and gives you no sort of advantage to regaining it.

the one guy who said in another thread that his chunklets would slowly creep back to him would be good, or increasing his range for pickup when ulting will also help him a bit.

but he really doesnt seem like he needs help in the damage department, with good chunk and w usage to get the max number of Ws off, you are doing a large amount of %hp aoe damage. combined with a liandries and hes doing really good damage.

his channel on max range e is also a bit long, but not ridiculously long.

iainB8511/18/2014, 9:44:53 PM1 votes

I like how several people, including myself, have pointed out that in S5 with new jungle itemization he's extremely good again, and the subset of people just completely ignore these posts and talk about his abilities needing more scaling and what not.

Why start a discussion if you aren't even going to listen. Trundle

Circuit Bear11/19/2014, 7:24:47 AM1 votes

Riot : "Not Lee Sin, can't be viable"

FarRockBF11/18/2014, 2:22:28 PM1 votes

Zac is my favorite jungler (and support!). I wish he would get some love:

Either:

Better AP ratios
Stronger healing per blob
More innate tankiness

I love everything about his kit and don't want him changed.

iainB8511/18/2014, 2:41:30 PM1 votes

Eh, wait until S5 before you complain anymore.

NB3 has played a few games with him in the new jungle and he seems pretty strong.

GoldenLeSpoink11/18/2014, 6:14:28 PM1 votes

In the new jungle, Zac is Tier 1, they don't need to buff Zac but instead needed to buff the items for tank junglers, in which they did. He is going to be great this upcoming season!

Axests11/18/2014, 6:57:51 PM1 votes

i almost took this post seriously, then you said cait and akali were played every game and i realized you were silver

DrNova11/18/2014, 6:54:06 AM1 votes

I really think its all about who has seniority at the office. Some people have more say at Riot and their opinions carry far more weight. So their fav's get prefferential treatment and everythign else gets gutted. Only reason I can think of for the stupid balancing they do. That and their love over pro tourneys over the rest of their player base (even though the rest of us are the ones paying for stuff)

I'm to the point where I'ma stop dropping any money on this game (and I like to spend money here). If I want a champ, I'll buy it with IP from now on. 120 champs and 20 of em reliably playable is just garbage. No excuse, especially when half those champs USED to be viable and then got hammered out of existance.

Champion Skin11/18/2014, 8:09:15 AM1 votes

Zac is fun yes and yes he isn't the best... He can be pretty good top lane and if you get ahead and get an early haunting guise your Q deals lots of damage and when you max it gets pretty low cooldown (Hp+Ap+magic pen Zac uses it all)

However Zac struggles against ranged champions as blobs often end up between you and your enemy and against ranged champions that simply means you can't pick up the blobs without taking more harass then it is worth and this means that all of his abilities possibly have a negative sustain as the blobs cost health to make it would be nice if the blobs would land closer to Zac against ranged champions then against melee champions