When is Pantheon going to be looked at?

Darth Valer·7/18/2016, 6:12:39 PM·14 votes·2,292 views

I'm a huge Pantheon fan, I spent a lot of time playing him back in the day, when I fell in love with this champ who could fall on top of you from anywhere... But then I tried newer and flashier champs and after his latest nerf, I kinda gave up on playing him up until he would be touched by Rito.

He's not a weak champ, he can still snowball out of control and single-handedly dominate games up until the 30 minute mark. The problem doesn't lie in balance, but in how complex, rewarding and engaging it is to play him. Currently? Very little.

Most Riot's reworks have been a success (at least in my opinion), so I look forward to seeing them get Panth up to date. Any news about this? Is he in the "Diving Bruisers" update?

54 Comments

ChaddyFantome7/18/2016, 6:35:18 PM6 votes

Because he has a point and click stun Gap closer that leads to a 100-0 combo.

If mere silences on point and click assassination patterns are toxic, how is pantheon STUN not?

at least that is what i am assuming here.

Verbudders7/18/2016, 6:52:41 PM4 votes

Yeah Pantheon is pretty useless right now, if you just pick something that beats him in lane like fiddle you pretty much just make the game a 4v5 since all he can do is be a lane bully

Stereo Dreamer7/18/2016, 10:07:06 PM4 votes

He's certainly not useless, and his bullying as well as early and mid game presence is terrifying when played well. His bad matchups won't dominate him, and Pantheon still retains a presence on much of the map. Micromanagement of matchups isn't accurate as it does depend on skill levels of players and coordination between them. If you mean to say abilities that hard counter another champion, then an advantage is acceptable to ascertain, but certainly not a definitive decision.

At late game, he isn't the best of course and falls down quite a ways -- however one must note that almost nothing falls off to an ADC or squishy AP. Late Pantheon will still be capable of 100-0ing one of them considering how fast his combo can be done. His walling by going in and posing a threat while simultaneously incapacitating a carry for a second is game changing, even more so if he lands that kill and expends some abilities of their team to peel him off as your team coordinates with him. Not to mention his pincering effectiveness which is a very strategic tool for teamfights.

Pantheon has a very unintuitive kit and extremely straightforward // aka boring. Point and click damage, point and click stun, AoE channel. Ult is the largest portion of his arsenal to impact a snowball, but it's a bit difficult to land or utilize to the full extent without some coordination, or luck. Managing his passive is important too of course as it can make an otherwise impossible dive to get out of alive, very possible.

He won't be in pro play too much (only was before this season due to his E being a little over the top in terms of just insta jump killing a squishy while still being relatively tanky -- problem like we had with tank assassins), but toning that down -- he still has the attributes that work very well in an organized team, or even mildly cooperating for his strategic cut and/or engage.

So the point that's here is more: Do we rework a balanced champion just to make him more satisfying to play?, because his playstyle is linear in most parts and with little counterplay if he catches you out of position? or do we rework him because he is outdated in terms of skill? Or do we just leave him as is?

MKDkilla7/19/2016, 2:35:59 AM2 votes

His ult is already useless for one, because when he jumps in he's either way too squishy and gets destroyed or if built tank, doesn't do any damage and gets destroyed anyways. And he then gets punished for trying to adjust his ult. His assassination combo is absolutely garbage late game because any ADC can just cleanse his stun and get out of his E before anything happens and he dies. Even if he manages to get a kill he usually ends up dying anyways because he has no ability to escape.

There isn't anything even remotely interesting about his kit or his gameplay. Outdated kit that's been left behind by damage and mobility creep. I still find him fun and feels great to play sometimes, but he's truly useless past a certain point if he isn't more fed than the other team. Hopefully he gets a VGU after Yorick because he needs it really badly.

Troll for Trump7/19/2016, 6:56:21 AM2 votes

Yeah, outdated kit along with XinZhao (they buffed his W), JarvanIV (They buffed his R, W, and other things), Yorick (weird kit to begin with) Urgot , Akali , Chogath (his kit is outdated, really simplistic, and some might even say toxic to play against; outdated) Nunu Warwick and a few others.

Not all of those are divers, but still; Outdated kits.

SpookyNeedle7/19/2016, 9:22:04 AM2 votes

I've finally started being able to beat him in lane as Fiora >_>

Elewd7/18/2016, 11:43:55 PM2 votes

Chances are Pantheon will be one of the big VGU's coming up after Yorick urgot and Eve. he is the last remaining champ of the pizzafeet syndrome. i dont think they would even include him in the Divers update just due to how clunky and old his kit is. the only thing i think about with pantheon is his passive and his ulti. the rest of his kit is super bland.

Randomonium7/18/2016, 7:35:35 PM2 votes

I'm sure they'll rework him with the "Divers" update. My hope is they'll make his W a "skill shot" AoE so you can potentially stun multiple people if you aim well or you can use it as an escape to jump away and that they'll do something different with his E (the channel roots him in place and just feels weird on a champion designed to dive the back line.) It would be nice if they gave his ult a quality of life update and have a more unique indication instead of a green circle (like maybe an auditory cue followed by a small indicator that expands as he gets closer to landing.) Maybe its just me but a couple times I've confused the Pantheon ult circle with other things like an Elise repel.

I think they're planning on doing the divers update sometime in Season 7 but I don't think anything has been officially posted.

LadyRenly7/18/2016, 10:25:22 PM1 votes

I like panth. his job is to get fed and end game. if he fails hes useless, how is that a bad thing? thats his tradeoff for being busted early. same reason why hypercarries are early weak.

XIII Vanitas7/19/2016, 12:19:09 AM1 votes

It's too early to ask. We don't even know which champions are going to be in the assassin update, nevermind future class updates.

Jasiwel7/19/2016, 2:33:27 AM1 votes

I believe they said he'll see a Gameplay Update with his VU. They've stated a VU is going to happen sooner rather than later, especially given his age and how his skins look not too appealing even with modern touches.

dunkeroni7/19/2016, 6:27:43 AM1 votes

Bruisers already got their update before everyone else did.

TheHurricaneGamr7/18/2016, 10:15:18 PM1 votes

He's in line for a VGU

Swiftstrike47/18/2016, 7:54:54 PM1 votes

He is pretty strong right now, though his kit is a little bland. I see pantheon as a diver/fighter with some juggernaut tendencies.

He does fall off incredibly hard if he doesn't keep getting kills, but skilled pantheon players are really good at continuing to put pressure on the map.

Most lower Elo players can't do this, however, and his kit feels terrible if he does not snow ball.

He is sort of like except he has a better early game. Both champions do fall off, but I feel renekton can still stay relevant just by being a meat shield. Pantheon players are more averse to building tank once they fall-off or if they don't get kills.

Blue Moon Wolf7/18/2016, 8:02:53 PM1 votes

Likely during the very possible Diver update next year. I think at the moment they are deciding on vanguards or Divers next, and it was Assassins or Divers this time, so it's likely they will do Divers next (though that could change). If not during that update, then he might be selected for a Shen sized rework next year.

ZephyrDrake7/18/2016, 8:11:20 PM1 votes

it won't be until a very long time from now. The last major update this year is more than likely going to be assassins so expect it sometime next year if you are lucky

Tobias Brackner7/18/2016, 8:48:28 PM1 votes

Panth is fine. He's like Renekton, a top lane bully with some good matchups and some bad ones. He facilitates early game pressure and strong map pressure.

It's bad to blind pick him because he has really bad matchups but that's fine in a game with 100+ characters.

Calabok7/18/2016, 10:09:46 PM1 votes

Talon escapes are very reliable because he goes INVISIBLE

ReshiKillim7/18/2016, 6:22:41 PM1 votes

He may get some changes in the assassin update, or possibly a different roster update. No idea, as Panth's playstyle is either Assassin/Bruiser depending on the player.

zlumpy7/18/2016, 10:24:50 PM1 votes

He just needs an ult tune up. Many panth players like his kit because it is one of the few left with so direct control over what their character does and interacts with enemies.