If you lack the basic competence required to avoid something akin to a thresh/blitz hook.
If you get hit by this in lane you're bad and you should feel bad. If you can't dodge it stand behind minions. This isn't rocket science, you absolutely have to pay attention, but if you do it isn't exactly difficult to avoid her abilities.
She's overpowered boecouse her damage is retarded atm: Her kit is fine, her damage is not
Also just kill tentacles.
Yeah man, just dodge the 4 second auto attack nuke.
Don't be an easy target trying to remove her low cooldown PASSIVE that is immediately replaced
Fighting her is like fighting a fucking heimy on AD steriods.
"X Champion is not op because you can dodge their skills" Lmao just lmao
That is literally your entire argument
Rito, Illaoi is more than a champion. Shes like an epic monster at lvl 18. Once you are turned into a vessel your'e dead. Too overpowered, pls nerf.
I feel like the problem isn't her kit, it's just the damage that's coming along with it, in lane it's not as much of a problem compared to full 5 teamfights, where if you can even get 2 ult tentacles the girl will just smack your carrys to half health without even trying... while building full tank
I agree with this post. Not only are her tentacles extremely slow, but they also show exactly where they are going to hit.
Her AD ratios definitely need to be lowered, but I feel like her biggest issue is her passive combined with her ult. She brings two newish roles to the table, and she excels at both of them. Something probably needs to be changed on her to remove ONE of these roles.
First, because of her tentacles, she wastes people who try to fight her once she's had a chance to entrench herself. It's not impossible to beat her once she's got 2 or 3 tentacles out, but it's difficult for most champions in the game. I think this brings a pretty cool dynamic to the table, and love the way it changes the game. It also fits with the juggernaut theme pretty well.
The problem is that, MOSTLY because of her ult, she is very, very good at taking on multiple champions by herself. So far, in most of the games I've played her in (both as her and against her), a jungler coming in for a gank has a pretty high chance of turning into a double kill for her, and I've used her to tp into a 2v5 fight and pick up a triple kill without taking much net damage.
Both of these are interesting niches, but I don't think she should be filling them both as well as she is. I think the former is a lot cooler, and as much fun as I have playing her, her ult probably needs to spawn fewer tentacles.
The other experience I've had playing as her is that I am able to absolutely trash anyone if I'm able to hit both them and their spirit with only a single Q. Lowering the AD on her Q might help that, but it feels like her E should be altered so the damage transfered from the spirit is reduced if you are being struck by the same ability.
I just had a game in which I owned her top. She was 0/8 and lower farm but she was still doing insane dmg to me. At one point she was lvl 7 and I was 11 and she still was a threat to me, with or without tentacles. I had a lot of arm pen and AD but after I killed her I was forced to recall due to low hp. But the fun is just getting started. At one point she just started to kill me easily. Everytime I tried to "retrieve" my soul she was just punishing me. When I got it back, she was like 50-60% hp and I was at about 30% (remember her score). When we tried to kill her she ended up with double before we manage to kill her. This champ is too op, even with such a bad game she had, she owned us like hell. And please stop with "it's easy: avoid and kill tentacles", mind the fact that she can take your soul and do about 50% dmg just by killing it and if you try to stop her she'll just wreck you. How messed up is that?
I think Illaoi is a very strong champ especially because she doesnt really fall behind in damage at any point in the game, however she is easily beatable if she doesnt have tentacles, as that is her main source of damage. If you focus down her tentacles as soon as they come up, and dodge their ground slam, her damage output is slim to none. Stack early armor, kill tentacles, push lane so the tentacles spawn by her tower rather than near the river or your tower (top) to open up ganking opportunity when she decides to push up, win lane. -Played as an Olaf, she went 0/5 in lane, but that could be due to my silver elo and it being a brand new champ that the other player hadn't completely mastered.
A couple of things, one, when everyone says illaois damage is too high is like saying yasuos damage is too high, or Darius, or mordekaisers, or rivens, or all the other champs that have "too high damage", its true, but it is counter able. she`s very acceptable to knock ups and stuns characters that survive by getting close like garen, tryn, and the other champs that like to get close, they are her bane, and the soul thing the timer goes down faster the closer you are to your soul letting you not become a host, and if you have a prob with the tentacles, avoid her w and the hit them, yes she will try to defend them but use that to your advantage and ready a gank when she goes towards it and also if you have a yi on your team he will mess her up, think about it*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*
She's just insanely strong against almost every single melee character. I used Vayne in team builder because I knew top was going to he swarmed with the new champ. Vayne kills tentacles easily, dodges skill shots easily, and shreds through armor. As most have said, lower her AD ratios. Needing a specific champion to counter someone or else you get wrecked is wrong. But what do I know, I'm a bronzy.
Difference between Illaoi and Blitz/Thresh?
Illaoi is up in your face, trying to kill you and E you. Thresh and Blitz are not.
She is fine. Her attacks are slow. So they hit hard. You heard this from Sion with his rework. She is slow so you can out maneuver her. Yes you get caught out is like any other champ.
Why not say Veigar is OP because you got hit by his E.
I completely disagree with the outright lie that is illaoi is balanced. Apparently, her ult is more painful than karthus despite the illaoi player building full tank. It is hard enough to kill her, and the only way to do so is under the inhibitor turret, the outer turrets and inner turrets cannot do anything to her. When everyone except the enemy support is lvl13, Our whole team consisting of 3 tanks and a tanky mid laner all get completely wrecked by her under the inhibitor turret, she survives, not by one health but with a 1/4 of her full health. A titanic hydra and a bunch of health stuff was all she bought. The champion carried the team, not the player. Perhaps maybe her tentacles ought to need to have a limited number. Heimerdinger has a max of 3 turrets that cant even match the force of one of illaoi's active tentacles. She counters every top laner, consisting of Garen, Darius, Jax, Trundle and all the other acceptably op champions. They all have their weaknesses but Illaoi is not as slow as you think. Sion's Q needs to wait forever to unleash and illaoi's tentacles do way more damage than sion's Q. Everytime I see an illaoi in my normal games (in draft and ranked everyone bans her first) I know i will lose lane and i do, A lvl 7 2 v 1 (Lee sin top + Evelyn jg) could not kill her but I ( Lee Sin) died to her and she tried to get a double on evelyn. Pretty balanced, debuff hecarim when there is volibear, vi and all those other op junglers out there. But these op champions cant even 5 v 1 an illaoi. Few people play illaoi because we understand what kind of pain we inflict on the enemy team and you should check out her winrate and banrate. Put a limit to tentacles and debuff her tank/damage stats if you want her to be an assassin/tank. Its just demoralising to see enemy illaoi.
She has game-changing skillshots like Thresh or Blitz, so the low skill players will always feed to her and complain about it, but high skill players, on the other hand, can change the fights in their favor by dodging these skillshots.
Also, she strives in clumped up team fights like some other bruisers, so there's another way to count her. People complain when they can't win without thinking and trying.
Ironic how everyone agrees with you now.
the sun is hot
"illaoi isnt that bad yknow, you just gotta dodge her q, and dont let her lend her e and uh just kill her tentacles and just stay away from her and yknow its really not that hard" so basically just leave the game, or send your jungler top and give her a double kill
The hitbox on the Tenticals is way wider then what it shows you dodge them and even though your champion is completly out of the marked area you still take damage and she still heals Like 80% her hp. Not to mention the fact that they do massive damage and require her to build no life steal to sustain through any lane, team fight , anything.
another annoying feature is that caitlins headshots get wasted on the tentacles. If you get 6 shots on a turret it will not use the headshot attack on the tower (or ward, trinket, or any other sort of 1-2-3 hit thingy that has no real HP) but it does use it on illaoi's tentacles. Also compare the tentacles to heimers turrets, heimers turrets are easy one hits mid to late game. Why dont they make the tentacles 2 hits instead of 3.
I just played a game with illaoi support on the enemy team, I was our teams adc and we were doing fine, but once the illaoi hit 6, instantly Es me and ults and I'm dead, no counter play unless you walk far enough out of the range of her E or you stop building whatever you where building and buy a stopwatch. Keep in mind this illaoi is building support items and had 1 death and 2 assists, WHAT IS THI DMG
Her damage is overtuned, but the kit is balanced imo
Yeah I destroyed the first one I played against as vlad. But try playing riven or hecarim, it's ridiculous. I got steamrolled. Too much damage and tentacles were spawning at my second tower when she hadn't killed or pushed past my first. And she had a ton up, I kept killing them, but they kept popping up. It's a stupid champ.
I kinda agree with you, but I need to stress an important difference between a blitz hook on botlane and illaoi grab on toplane: blitz is generally against ADC that can farm safely while staying behind their minions. For most melee toplanes, it can be hard to go to their minions and farm without exposing themselves. The skillshot is still avoidable and bait-able, no denying that. But it's not as easy as you make it sound.
