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The REAL problem about Nasus

zebulon02·3/23/2018, 1:10:35 AM·1 votes·1,232 views

Hey guys.

I know there's plenty of post about this champ, But hey I wanted to give it a try as well. I've been playing league since season 2. Im not the best player for sure, but I still have very good knowledge about the game. So now, lets talk about Nasus.

Since the beginning of the season, Nasus was my perma ban every game. I don't ban Nasus because he is op. He is not. He is quite balanced, just looking at his winrate, it's not higher than average.

I ban Nasus for a very simple purpose. The champion is just so boring and anti-fun to play against.

First of all: Nasus is built around one simple concept. Bully him out of lane, and delay his late game as much as possible. Thats the main counterplay of nasus. The idea is fun, I agree. But here's why this concept doesn't work anymore : 1.You litterally have to spent the first 20-30 minutes of your game in your lane to deal with the guy. If you leave the lane, he is gonna free farm and become a monster.

  1. If by any "bad" luck you don't play a lane bully and you play instead a tank or mage or whatever else you must have the help of the jungler to shut him down. which brings me to my 3rd point.

  2. you need the jungler to shut him down because all his kit is made to sustain in lane. ( passive gives him free lifesteal thats stacks so well with his q) (R is just a button you press to become suer tanky and stacks your q even faster) (w is one of the strongest slow AA AND MS of the game) So basically, all his kit is made to wreck anyone who comes in range of him...which brings me to my 4th point.

  3. All juggernaut have this simple concept.. don't get into their range or you get screwed. I think its pretty fair. I agree with that concept. But at least, if you get into darius range, you can still try to dodge his q by moving outside of it or in the middle. If you get into illaoi range, you can still try to dodge her e or the slams. If you get into yorick range, you can try to dodge his e, move outside his w or kills his ghouls. Well you get the point. Most juggernaut still have a few counterplay even tho you get caught. I just feel like, Nasus doesnt offer much counterplay, If he is in range to cast his wither on you... either you have a teamate to save you, or you die.

  4. The moment you see the enemy pick nasus, You just know that if you play top lane. you are going to have to dedicate your whole game to nasus. You can't let him farm, you can't roam, or he will farm even more. You need help from your jungler 70 % of the time. And let's say you didnt pick a champ who can duel him. so your new strategy is to deny his farm by pushing him under his tower... bad idea. nasus farm under tower like a charm. You try to freeze lane and poke him down.. He heals it right back up. You try to bait his w and e so he goes oom. Kleptomancy keeps him infinite mana.

  5. His itemization is another very strong problem. Nasus is one of the only champs in the game who can buil 100 % tank, and still dish a ridiculous amount of damage. I mean even illaoi or garen or darius, or shyvana, needs to invest a little bit in damage. Nasus doesnt. 90 % of the time, a trinity force is all he needs to become a monster.

Obviously, this is my point of you. I may be wrong, There might be some counterplay I don't see. But one thing for sure, I think his counterplay isnt clear enough, Because even when i bully Nasus super hard, or I outfarm him. HE STILLS BECOMES A LATE GAME MONSTER. Even if I won the lane 5-0 and he is 0-5

  1. So my last point is. If you guys have any tips to really counterplay nasus, without having to dedicate your whole game to him. Please let me know

Once again. I still think that nasus is not op at all. His teamfight presence is not very huge and beside becoming a late game monster he still remains very immobile, and I have won many game against nasus. Its really all about anti-fun he his, and I just feel everytime there is a nasus in the game, all my choices and action revolve around him. ( You know I don't feel Annie, Xayah, Maokai, Janna, etc have such a big impact on how you play the game)

Thank you all for reading, and please let your comments below*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

7 Comments

Cowgirl Ed3/23/2018, 1:23:16 AM1 votes

lategame nasus sucks nasus shines midgame

catastrophicSkil3/23/2018, 2:19:29 AM1 votes

At bronze/silver/gold/plat 99% of the time its not the champion that's the problem its the player

Sasogwa3/23/2018, 4:14:07 PM1 votes

{quoted} First of all: Nasus is built around one simple concept. Bully him out of lane, and delay his late game as much as possible. Thats the main counterplay of nasus. The idea is fun, I agree. But here's why this concept doesn't work anymore : 1.You litterally have to spent the first 20-30 minutes of your game in your lane to deal with the guy. If you leave the lane, he is gonna free farm and become a monster.

No. Nasus is overrated in that regards, it is actually something that backfires at him. If Nasus wants to be strong, he HAS to stack. Which means, if you leave lane, he will be forced to stack, to be stuck there to catch up to be relevant. Which means you can easily influence the rest of the map, and Nasus doesn't want to sacrifice his TP to help his teammates when he could be farming a wave calmly. Snowball the important lanes ( b o t l a n e ), while he tries to catch up

  1. If by any "bad" luck you don't play a lane bully and you play instead a tank or mage or whatever else you must have the help of the jungler to shut him down. which brings me to my 3rd point.

Not necessarily. Well played, you can aggro a Nasus with any pick. He's not freelaning against tanks/mages by any means, especially early. He's pretty tough with current runes, but beatable.

  1. you need the jungler to shut him down because all his kit is made to sustain in lane. ( passive gives him free lifesteal thats stacks so well with his q) (R is just a button you press to become suer tanky and stacks your q even faster) (w is one of the strongest slow AA AND MS of the game) So basically, all his kit is made to wreck anyone who comes in range of him...which brings me to my 4th point.

Well, as any snowballing the help of a jungler can be cool to start the snowballing , but once you got an advantage you can exploit it yourself via smart wave management (well, basically freeze/all inning a lot tbh. Push into back or dive when the wave gets bigger on your side)

  1. All juggernaut have this simple concept.. don't get into their range or you get screwed. I think its pretty fair. I agree with that concept. But at least, if you get into darius range, you can still try to dodge his q by moving outside of it or in the middle. If you get into illaoi range, you can still try to dodge her e or the slams. If you get into yorick range, you can try to dodge his e, move outside his w or kills his ghouls. Well you get the point. Most juggernaut still have a few counterplay even tho you get caught. I just feel like, Nasus doesnt offer much counterplay, If he is in range to cast his wither on you... either you have a teamate to save you, or you die.

There, I don't agree with Darius having more counterplay than Nasus. A good Darius will just auto-W into E when you get out, auto then max range Q as you're getting out of his zone again. Yeah you can dash out, but at this point you could just as well dash out of Nasus effective range too. It's kind of Nasus niche too, to be less reliant on powerful sluggish abilities but weaker early in exchange for more agency especially in duels; but Jax is kind of similar in that regards. Most duellists are tbh, Fiora comes in mind as well.

  1. The moment you see the enemy pick nasus, You just know that if you play top lane. you are going to have to dedicate your whole game to nasus.

Nope. Win botlane win game, even if Nasus has 700 stacks, trust me.

You can't let him farm, you can't roam, or he will farm even more.

Noooo, if you're stuck in that mentality of not being able to roam, Nasus already won because he's making you as useless as he is. Deny him enough to nullify his midgame powerspike then roam all right !

You need help from your jungler 70 % of the time. And let's say you didnt pick a champ who can duel him. so your new strategy is to deny his farm by pushing him under his tower... bad idea. nasus farm under tower like a charm. You try to freeze lane and poke him down.. He heals it right back up. You try to bait his w and e so he goes oom. Kleptomancy keeps him infinite mana.

  1. His itemization is another very strong problem. Nasus is one of the only champs in the game who can buil 100 % tank, and still dish a ridiculous amount of damage. I mean even illaoi or garen or darius, or shyvana, needs to invest a little bit in damage. Nasus doesnt. 90 % of the time, a trinity force is all he needs to become a monster.

Eh, Darius BC + full tank, Garen BC + fulltank is kinda similar. Even Jaxes go Trinity Titanic full tank, and Titanic isn't exacly a squishy item either.

Obviously, this is my point of you. I may be wrong, There might be some counterplay I don't see. But one thing for sure, I think his counterplay isnt clear enough, Because even when i bully Nasus super hard, or I outfarm him. HE STILLS BECOMES A LATE GAME MONSTER. Even if I won the lane 5-0 and he is 0-5

Yes, if the game is not finished. But you know, you could finish the game.

  1. So my last point is. If you guys have any tips to really counterplay nasus, without having to dedicate your whole game to him. Please let me know

Pick Sion, max Q or E, land a full combo each time he comes CS'ing, laugh as you'll be tankier than him and shit on his laning with no offensive items whatsoever and knowing with your CC you'll be able to nullify his teamfight impact. But to be honest, it depends on elo too. If you/your team don't play optimally and like ; fap around or aren't very efficient at taking objectives/pushing leads and let Nasus freely splitpush without taking anything in compensation, yeah.. You're gonna definitely lose.

Once again. I still think that nasus is not op at all. His teamfight presence is not very huge and beside becoming a late game monster he still remains very immobile, and I have won many game against nasus. Its really all about anti-fun he his, and I just feel everytime there is a nasus in the game, all my choices and action revolve around him. ( You know I don't feel Annie, Xayah, Maokai, Janna, etc have such a big impact on how you play the game)

Eeeeh I don't really agree, they can force out stuff better than Nasus can, but Nasus is more of a solocarry kind of champion, that gets destroyed by good teams but strives in uncoordination and lack of efficiency.