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Adding an AD Zhonyah's Hourglass item and an AP Guardian Angel Item to the game?

MrEnds·12/6/2019, 4:11:13 PM·5 votes·1,436 views

So basically I think that Riot should make an AD Zhonyah's type item and an AP Guardian Angel type of item so AD champions can have have the same amount of counter play potential as AP champions and make it so both AD and AP champions have the option to build either a GA type item or a Zhonyah's type item based on the circumstance of the game in terms of what champions you are up against and in terms of what time of the game you are currently in (early, mid, late) so the item is more or less viable (because GA is more of a late game type of item while Zhonyah's is more flexible in terms of game time viability) (TL;DR at bottom of post)

An example of a few champions that would benefit from an AP GA item would be champions like , , , , , , and (there are probably more)

An example of some champions that would benefit from an AD Zhonyah's item would be champions like , ,, and (there are definitely more, I'm just short on time rn)

TL;DR Make an AP Guardian Angel type of item and make an AD Zhonyah's Hourglass type of item!

Edit after post was made: If you guys could please leave a comment explaining the reason why you think these item's wouldn't be a good addition to the game I'd really appreciate it! (this message is directed towards the people who down-voted my post because I don't actually see a reason for these items to not be added to the game)

19 Comments

Cind3rkick12/6/2019, 4:22:04 PM2 votes

You posted this exact thing a couple of hours ago.

You are gonna get the same responses

PhearBunny12/6/2019, 4:27:48 PM2 votes

because Kaisa needs more items.

Whisper8712/6/2019, 5:01:03 PM2 votes

I actually think the thing we need the most is an AP version of Mercurial Scimitar. While uses/passives may differ, the reality is that both AP and AD champs have at least 1 armor/damage item and at least 1 MR/damage item. Looking at it objectively, I think Maw and Banshees are fairly equal. And I think Zhonyas and GA are fairly equal. While they function very differently, the idea is essentially the same: "If I get engaged on, I have a way to survive the burst". But when you look at QSS, it has a very specific function for counter-play against teams with long duration CC a la Skarner/Malz, or teams with lot's of good ranged catch a la Zoe/Morg/Lux/Thresh/Anivia/TF/Sej.

There are a number of reasons that making literally identical versions of Maw, Zhonyas, GA would not be balanced. A lot of it has to do with counterplay and damage patterns. Next season it looks like Edge of Night is essentially going to be an AD Banshees, and I think that one is pretty balanced. But for now, just imagine a Vlad going being able to build an AP version of GA on top of his pool/Zhonyas. Or something like Cassiopia/Ryze/Anivia stacking Seraph's along with hp/ap items, then then having both Zhonyas and a GA. When a ADC goes down with GA, they require auto attacks so if their team gets wrecked they can just respawn and die. If a mage with GA goes down, they can respawn and just nuke someone or maybe even multiple people before they get gibbed again.

xelaker12/6/2019, 4:26:29 PM1 votes

Or take out both of those cancer items...

HideSide12/6/2019, 7:21:47 PM1 votes

The thing with zhonya is that to kill someone during invulnerability is cheap and unfair and only thing to respond to zhonya is to use another zhonya which is stupid vicious circle. There is literally no counterplay against it and no champion was designed to rely on certain item, so only option is to remove it with no compromise.