Just why is this a thing?

ModRowanstar·2/23/2020, 10:36:17 AM·1 votes·6,510 views

just do not understand. Why the freaking heck was Lux and other op annoyingly overplayed champs BUFFED.....while Champions who AREN"T op or toxic Nerfed???? Why

Why did you nerf A Sol and others? Riot always says they make less skins and content for less played champs and that if they were played more they would be more prevalent. Then they proceed to NERF THOSE CHAMPS INTO THE GROUND!!!! Its nonsensical.

Common Sense dictates that if certain champs consistently get played and outshine others, maybe they need a nerf to allow other champions to shine. But no Riot consitently focuses on their star players like Lux who I am sick and tired of seeing in matches. Just stop milking 5-10 champs when you literally have over a HUNDRED CHAMPIONS.

Could you imagine if I had 90 cats and I only fed and groomed 10 of those cats? Well it would be a CAT tastrophie. Puns aside, why are we nerfing people who don't need nerfs and buffing already strong and toxic champions? All I ask is why and ask that this type of meta mentality needs to change.

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Knight SoIaire 2/23/2020, 10:57:35 AM18 votes

You also forgot one important factor in this broken circcle

Riot actuay CHOOSES which champions they want to be viable in proplay to make the game a better show.

They no longer ballance the game... they shuffle the metas to fit their quotas.

Thats why every time a champion they dont like breaks into the pro play they get hammered down so hard that usualy they fall out of any play at all.

This is quite evident when you consider the logic behind championship skinns... which are awarded to champions which dominate the meta throughout the season... and in order to dominate the meta throughout the entire season they just need to have that edge over competition and cant be nerfed to lose it. Meaning that riot charges you money on skinns for champions they intentionaly kept op for a season.

And i realy would like riot to notice just how hard it becomes to stick with their game due to those practices... but their numbers are still too high for them to care... and once they drop riot will probably drop the game.

Man... I just dont think we can do anything here anymore.

Jng Account2/23/2020, 10:51:55 AM17 votes

Why did you nerf A Sol

Bcs every main who had 15+ games magically started climbing, just too good in high elo.

Singed was nerfed bcs of conq, kinda unfair if you ask me, but, after Sona top(at 56% wr) he held his 54% which is pretty good. Now he is pushed towards conq even more tho :/

Sona and Soraka definitely needed nerfs to their solo lanes. It was arguably too harsh, but no one is saying that they wont get little buffs later on.

if certain champs consistently get played and outshine others, maybe they need a nerf to allow other champions to shine

And that definitely isnt Luxes case, her midlane is mediocre at best, you are better off just picking Syndra or Ori. Ap Lux supp is picked up mainly by autofills(but its fun) and enchanter Lux is also mediocre. I think 2 secs is huge buff, but as long as Leo/Naut/Thresh/Blitz are meta and aftershock isnt buffed, she wont outshine Nami, Yuumi, Morg, Janna or Lulu.

Also I would like to point out that term toxic is kinda subjective, you might get Asol main in 1/100 games, but that will be probably one of the worst games in that control group. Similar could be said about Singed.

Lux comes to simple, dodge her shit and murder her. She, even after buffs, isnt nowhere near op.

I would be more concerned about Garen buffs, since his wr is over 50% even in d+.

edit: Also Lux buffs might be indirect nerfs towards pick that grown in popularity lately, Zoe. Imo thats more interesting than just nerfing Zoe.

NF Remilia2/23/2020, 10:53:44 AM7 votes

1st i want to say Very proffesional from the boards moderator

2nd

Lux and other op

Lux op? She was at 37th place , she wasnt even at top 10 champions.

If you have a problem with lux , you should really look at your own gameplay. You clearly dont understand how the meta and champs working since you talking like that so i wont bother explaining that to you. Just saying as Moderator you should acting more proffesional.

Nea1042/23/2020, 11:45:03 AM6 votes

They're too competent for us to understand.

Tahm Kench still around 43%. They killed him, 2 years ago? Failed to rework him, making him a disgusting toplaner for, 1 month? And since then, nothing.

Nerfing Singed. Nerfing Sona (because of an off-role). Ekko and Diana still there. And so on.

So competent

:o)

edit: to the 4 white knights / trolls / smart guys downvoting for no reason, you deserve things like those irl too, since you enjoy them ;)

the Anarchit3cht2/23/2020, 5:51:06 PM6 votes

Sorry but this post has been removed it does not follow the guidelines for a GAMEPLAY post and belongs in the RANT section instead. Oh wait.... I forgot the rules only apply when you want them to...

Iljos2/23/2020, 5:40:38 PM5 votes

now don't get me wrong, fuck rito gaems but to answer your question, its because the game isn't balanced around silver elo where lux is apparently OP and asol is weak.

PiVoRx2/23/2020, 6:30:19 PM5 votes

only fools believe that what Riot is doing is balancing

YaraOwO2/23/2020, 6:33:44 PM4 votes

You lost me at lux and Op.

And i literally only see lux when i play her.

shh im hiddens k2/23/2020, 12:14:19 PM4 votes

Um b/c ASol is god tier and lux has a like trash win rate in every position despite people liking her? If lux wasn't lux she'd probably be the least played champ in the game (or ivern)

Bardmageddon2/23/2020, 5:43:24 PM4 votes

Fuck Tencent

(This is now a Tencent hate board)

[sg-shisa]

Urtoan2/23/2020, 9:26:45 PM3 votes

You are MOD. Why dont you ask those ...."not really clever people" yourself?

Illabethe2/24/2020, 2:48:34 AM2 votes

Except...... (I'm generally in agreement with the premise) Attractive champions just arbitrarily get more play than champions who are not.

Ezreal for example, has had MANY periods where he's a 47-48% win rate champion, but maintained a 30% adc pick rate simply because he was a) Noninteractive and people are getting filled adc and b) because people who are into pretty boys like him.

Akali still gets play after atrocious nerfs...... because the current version is absolutely gorgeous.

Kai Sai has seen atrocious nerfs but again..... is still a 12.75% pick rate adc.

Pyke fulfilled the "I'm a badass from the shadows" fantasy; he's been reworked into a dead spot, yet still maintains a 10% pick rate.


Anywho; the reason Riot is doing this:

They aren't looking at a stat/skill breakdown deep dive research of the champions they have created (their strengths, weaknesses, all given logs and dummy values to represent them in comparison to other champs to do analysis for balance.

Instead they are using arbitrary numbers like Ban rate and pick rates, which are heavily driven by player sentiment, opinions, sometimes aesthetics.

What this creates is situations where a champion like Zed, evolves into a front loaded assassin with relatively short cooldowns and energy gain, because his kit is generally used as a 1 target executioner, which leaves him windows to die, and the fact that players generally over-focus on killing with him leads to him not showing up statistically as a lane pusher. His single assassination and even aoe parity with Electrocute is monstrous. But it gets ignored in its strengths because his player built shortcomings have told Riot he's balanced, because players generally don't do everything they can with him.

Or a situation like Talon, where you're combating the urge to stay in lane versus roaming the entire game; Traditional mids stay mid and roam a little. Talon's job is to literally roam 95% of the game, and not actually lane except in passing. His kit when played correctly is oppressive to everyone he crosses path with, which is why he's been a top 10 champion for over 6 years. But..... riot is blinded to the fact part of the statistics around Talon are those players who just stay in lane and afk the game away waiting until 6 are weighing down his actual performance.

They're assuming that in cases like these, bulk games average out balance, when in game micro balance may be an entirely different story altogether.

Also, they're ignoring we're in a social media stage of game playing, and that fads occur which change long held consensus on some champions. Like what's happening with Sona/Soraka is HEAVILY being driven by social pressures and reddit feeds, not actual balance.

Riot also used to balance around entire champion average play, not single lane performance. Now, they feel that they need to average everything out per lane role, which is impossible.

Worst JG Wins2/23/2020, 11:28:12 PM1 votes

A Sol was and still is OP AF people just don't play him much. Lux wasn't really weak, but she is hardly an "OP" champ.

Also, this clearly belongs in rant or did the gameplay rules change?

The JigSAW2/24/2020, 3:31:01 AM1 votes

Riot needs people like you and they need to listen to you and what you are saying that echoes a very large majority of us. While I like Lux, I agree she's around way too often and frankly it really is the same 20-25 champions in games 90% of the time or more.

chipndip12/24/2020, 7:26:11 PM1 votes

I guess forum mods can make bad posts, too?

Lux got a support buff because Lux support was a 45% win rate pick. If you're sick of seeing Lux, get better at the game so you climb to an elo where people don't play Lux because Lux is a beginner champion that falls off in viability as you climb. A Sol got nerfed because he's constantly sitting in this space where he's sleeper op for solo queue and no one will pick him because his kit's really finicky to deal with, so A Sol mains just rake in elo while no one bothers to say "Wait this champion's busted why have we let him go for months on end without checking him?" Just because no one plays him doesn't mean he can't be too good.

Any champ you think "isn't toxic and deserving of buffs" is toxic. You just don't realize it, but every champ that beats you and snowballs on you will feel bad to play against. Just focus on having fun with YOUR champ instead of worrying about everyone else's so much.

Edit: Checked u.gg and she STILL posts negative win rates in the support position for Plat and upwards. Filtering for lower elos pushes that win rate up. This is a "git gud" situation.

Skia Asteri2/23/2020, 7:23:04 PM1 votes

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just do not understand. Why the freaking heck was Lux and other op annoyingly overplayed champs BUFFED.....while Champions who AREN"T op or toxic Nerfed???? Why

Why did you nerf A Sol and others? Riot always says they make less skins and content for less played champs and that if they were played more they would be more prevalent. Then they proceed to NERF THOSE CHAMPS INTO THE GROUND!!!! Its nonsensical.

Common Sense dictates that if certain champs consistently get played and outshine others, maybe they need a nerf to allow other champions to shine. But no Riot consitently focuses on their star players like Lux who I am sick and tired of seeing in matches. Just stop milking 5-10 champs when you literally have over a HUNDRED CHAMPIONS.

Could you imagine if I had 90 cats and I only fed and groomed 10 of those cats? Well it would be a CAT tastrophie. Puns aside, why are we nerfing people who don't need nerfs and buffing already strong and toxic champions? All I ask is why and ask that this type of meta mentality needs to change.

Because balance changes not targeted at pro / GM / challenger are now driven by stats like win rate, pick rate, and ban rate. And they do not consider game play health, otherwise they would not have changed Soraka in a way that pushes her support play patterns in an unhealthy direction in order to nerf her top lane.

Degnisyllort2/24/2020, 11:34:37 PM1 votes

This is the exact same type of post you guys (mods) have been saying belong in rant...

Salty Mc Feed2/23/2020, 9:30:03 PM1 votes

Lux isn't really that popular or strong. LOL