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Maybe the Riot team should:

FyreNinja·1/21/2015, 2:36:07 AM·36 votes·2,798 views

Stop focusing on new champions and work on fixing the stuff that needs it. When the entire front page is filled with complaints about Gameplay and Balance, ranging from FOTM champion (Lee Sin, Fizz and Zed) to awful nerfs (Sona, Syndra, Ahri) to mana regen (Chalice) to awful SERVERS when 80% of its use comes from the EAST.

I would gladly sacrifice the new champ "OPMOBILITYDEATH" to get some fixes on some of the stuff posted above and below this one, although I dont agree with everything on here (see the Lee Sin nerf downvote :P), I do agree that stuff is getting out of hand, and for Riot to maintain a healthy game, something needs to change.

EDIT 1:

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I made a thread with over 350 comments and 42.2K reviews with almost 2k votes IN FAVOR of fixing old champs over making new ones.

Riot basically said......

"we care about this very deeply, but no"

SOURCE http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ik9r8Es2-im-willing-to-sacrifice-the-next-champion-release-to-prioritise-fixes-and-reworks-for-old-champions

On this post Riot says they have FOUR designers working on updates and that they are upgrading to SIX when hundreds of people are on the forums asking for tweaks with their favorite champion! This department NEEDS more help!

40 Comments

CheckMyDoubles1/21/2015, 3:37:03 AM10 votes

I'm not saying I disagree with some of the threads, but the forums are where people are going to post complaints and concerns, that screenshot highlights nothing unexpected. Besides, the forum posts represent a tiny fraction of people who actually play the game.

Do you think people are going to start posting about wanting more champions instead? It's also been stated that different teams have different focuses. What you're asking for would be akin to telling one department to stop all of their work until another department catches up. Why can't you have both?

"Hey, fire all the artists that make new splash art for champions until Lee Sin is finally nerfed."

HeatStr0ke1/21/2015, 2:38:32 AM5 votes

Thank you, I totally agree. Another thing I would add is that the environment for new players is terrible, with smurfs, and rune noob traps. I wish riot would put time into that. OR AT LEAST LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY! Not everything has to chance we just want to be listened to!

Evil Jester1/21/2015, 3:26:26 AM5 votes

I made a thread with over 350 comments and 42.2K reviews with almost 2k votes IN FAVOR of fixing old champs over making new ones.

Riot basically said......

"we care about this very deeply, but no"

SOURCE http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ik9r8Es2-im-willing-to-sacrifice-the-next-champion-release-to-prioritise-fixes-and-reworks-for-old-champions

lxlLilybellelxl1/21/2015, 8:06:03 AM4 votes

I would gladly sacrifice the new champ "OPMOBILITYDEATH"

Amumu I cried XD

Seriously tho there is no winning on this topic. In season 4 when they focused on rebalancing and fixing/updating champions People complained that there were not enough new champs :/

I honestly Agree that we don't need 4 champs in 5 months.. that's riddiculous, I'd rather focus on the 120+ Champs that exist now V.S. some new random, brokenly OP and/or disabled for 3 weeks Champ.

The Storm Dragon1/21/2015, 9:40:13 AM4 votes

Of course the balance section of the forum is going to be filled with complaints. That's literally what it's there for. People who are satisfied with the balance are much, much less likely to show up to say 'X is fine. Good job!' than someone who is angered that they think something is unbalanced and isn't being addressed.

Sir ArmaMalum1/21/2015, 2:58:10 AM3 votes

So....what you want is something along the lines of an entire team dedicated to relaunching champions, a separate team working on current live game play balance and all of that being separate and working independently from the team creating new champions? That does sound like a marvelous idea, although I think someone beat you to the punch......a while ago.......in Riot employ.....

FyreNinja1/21/2015, 2:58:59 AM3 votes

I know that, and I completely agree, it would be an awful company to have a one-sided department strategy, however, how distance can these sectors be from one another, can the champion design team REALLY not help out with champion reworks or design tweaks?

I think the arguments protecting Riot by isolating their different departments is facetious

Sammystorm1/21/2015, 8:03:23 AM2 votes

Meh. I disagree with like 95% of all balance posts on boards. So if I can avoid having the nightmere of boards balancing I am all in favor of many many many new champions. As many champions as it takes to make boards not the balancing point.

Guy Fox Teemo1/21/2015, 2:53:15 AM2 votes

UNLESS you haven't figured it out YET. Riot has stated MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNY times that they have different teams for champion creation and champion balance, they are ENTIRELY different teams. Maybe they could add a few extra people but they already have teams for certain balancing and other balancing, as well as several teams that go into creating a champion.

Mastadongbling1/21/2015, 4:03:27 AM2 votes

Umm in all honesty, they seem to have been making champion reworks more often than making new champions.

These things take a great length of time to make sure different champions are balanced.

On that note Gangplank Poppy Shaco (The AP shaco) These champions were a great deal of fun to play at one point, now feeling lack-luster because of either A. Balance issues (nerfs had to be made) or B. other newer champions who has more mobility and "feels" more powerful. (Not saying are more powerful other than the AP shaco because they do have their power, it's just lack of gameplay.)

WooBeeWoo1/21/2015, 4:24:43 AM2 votes

The reason they can't postpone new champs is it will give players time to build up IP and catch up spending less money on RP for the constant new releases.... its about the money boys

KevGatz1/21/2015, 9:16:41 AM2 votes

They do listen, there is just a difference between listening and doing everything the forums suggest.

BeatzBoyFTW1/21/2015, 8:47:02 AM1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ik9r8Es2-im-willing-to-sacrifice-the-next-champion-release-to-prioritise-fixes-and-reworks-for-old-champions

About this one, Riot already did it with Sion , resulting in more complaints instead. So why bother? Just make a new champ then!

SpecterVonBaren1/21/2015, 8:56:47 AM1 votes

(Scratches head) K, regardless of how you see his balance or lack of it, depending on your view, how are Lee Sin complaints flavor of the month when he's been complained about for years?

TMarcTheAwesom1/22/2015, 6:58:58 AM1 votes

Pls zoom in as close as you can on DrMundo ugly ass face ingame. Looks like the fucked up the paint on his face and did not finish drawing him.

FyreNinja1/21/2015, 3:29:12 AM1 votes

I saw that thread, liked it, and then made this one after they didn't respond/ignored yours. Thanks for inspiring me :). You have a strong point.

Ariel the Cruel1/21/2015, 4:52:02 PM1 votes

Something to keep in mind. New content is the life blood of F2P games. LoL is no exception. Just look back in season 3 (?) when new champ production came to a near halt. People went nuts because they wanted new content.

Could they slow it down a little and shift resources? maybe. But stopping it would be akin to a death sentence. Also something to keep in mind. Adding people to a project increases long-term productivity. More often than not, productivity suffers in the short term (it scales relative to the scope and complexity of the project).

Opistach1/21/2015, 5:13:18 PM1 votes

Yeah but they are nerfing Akali.

Worth?

Also I'd like to point out. After DFG removal, and E nerf on Ahri. SHe is still a monster on PBE.

her Q does 500 damage at lvl 8

Silents4291/21/2015, 9:34:13 PM1 votes

Not going to point out how stupid it would be to have the design team working with the rework team, since its been mentioned already.

You really need to know that the player base is over 30 million, and the forums are a small fraction of that, Anything front page here doesn't mean anything on other community sites, no matter what Riot does they are going to piss off a group of people, its the nature of running a large game like this.

They are going to give a central server and your going to find people on the West coast complaining that their ping went up by 10, but the East coast (majority) praising them that they have 50-60 ping or lower now. Something that has no real downsides will be bitched about, A completely underpowered champion getting a small SMALL buff, will cause backlash, and its from people who think Riot is some evil monster that feeds false information, and laughs at our misery, They DO know better then us, they are paid to balance the game, and most people don't know jackshit about balancing beyond "Nerf them, and compensate with this" It doesn't work that way in most cases.

I want them to make more champions, but I want them to stop having them be retarded at launch then a completely different champion a month later after getting nerfed. I also want that guy who made, Yasuo, Kalista, Darius and Thresh to stop making champions.

PublicArtillery1/22/2015, 3:07:13 AM1 votes

Hey man you need to understand that Riot has multiple divisions working one multiple projects at the same time. The ones who design champs, skins, or manage servers are all different. Granted North America is getting to the point where it would benefit from a new server, Riot needs to be able to afford one before they get one. And being that League is a free to play game, it is not surprising that more focus is put into their revenue stream because the servers won't pay for themselves. We as a community need to work on the self entitlement complex we've developed and understand that you are playing a FREE game and it does come with it's disadvantages.

Axel Nightroad1/21/2015, 3:36:57 AM1 votes

The only thing you said that I disagree with is calling Lee Sin, Fizz, and Zed (I don't play him but I actually disagree with all the QQ over him and agree with Riot about him being a balanced assassin but that's aside the point) FOTM. They have been seen as problematic and overpowered for a very long time with no real (meaningful) changes.

Also this may be more personal bias than anything but I think the Syndra nerfs were totally in line, and the Ahri nerfs, while a bit extreme, weren't unjustified. However, none of that takes into account the removal of DFG, so maybe it was a bit out of line.