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Yasuo shield passive - Move to W?

inDJ·10/9/2014, 4:44:51 AM·37 votes·3,801 views

So first things first, this isn't a complaint thread about the nerfs. I barely play Yasuo, but seeing him nerfed so hard does make my heart hurt a little - As far as Lolking is accurate, he's already got a sub-45% win rate above Gold.

So @... uh, whoever: has consideration been placed on moving Yasuo's shield passive to his W instead? This way he won't get his shield level 1, and he won't be as ridiculous at trading at level 1/2 as he is now. I get that his current health nerf was meant to hit his early game already, but a health nerf would stick with him through the entire game, where moving his shield passive would probably only hurt him level 1/2 - which in my (Silver league) experience is when he can trade the most efficiently.

EDIT: I would even argue that it makes sense thematically. Since the active blocks damage already, it follows that it would have a passive that also blocks damage. As if he passively had... say, a wall. Of wind.

EDIT 2: I'm saying that I think his power curve, not his overall power, is the problem.

Discuss?

44 Comments

DarthSpectrum10/9/2014, 4:54:52 AM14 votes

Probably the best solution.

Given how Riot handled 4.18's Kha'Zix nerf however, I dread that in the end they will nerf his health nevertheless, as the balance team would go and say: "Well, everyone is putting a point in W now, so it must be OP!"

MakeABronziesDay10/9/2014, 5:12:54 AM7 votes

Nerf yasuo to the ground. He has too many free stats.

Desmond Law10/9/2014, 3:51:31 PM4 votes

I like this change. The infamous Yasuo level 1/2 cheeze will be unavaliable until he gets a point into wind wall, meaning he has to commit to defense if he wants defense.

I find it funny how some posters are moaning how that's gutting yasuo's lane phase, but honestly, you only lose out until lv 2/3, when lane phase is still lane phase. If you're feeding at lv 1-3, then it's not the champ, it's you.

MasticatingGrill10/9/2014, 5:53:52 AM3 votes

If you put his passive on his W then he gets a new passive. This fixes what?

And if you're laning him with a champ that has no hope of popping it before the engage...wtf u doing. Or heck roll with Maokai or something funny that shuts down his dashes.

JustMyBassCannon10/9/2014, 6:53:15 AM2 votes

"Hey, I have an idea! Let's make it so Yasuo has absolutely no natural defenses! I'm sure making his laning phase absolute shit, even by comparsion to Master Yi and Tryndamere, is totally justifiable!"

Play an aggressive champion and upset his laning phase. Learn to deal with his patterns and tear him up. I'm saying this as the Brand main who regularly wrecks mid-lane Yasuo players; he's not that fucking hard to deal with.

LegendaryLemur10/9/2014, 5:09:04 AM2 votes

Good idea. +1

The5lacker10/9/2014, 1:42:39 PM2 votes

The problem is then Yasuo has a resource bar whos only purpose is linked to a single basic ability.

That's pretty bad design and I think a smarter solution would be to make Flow an actual resource as opposed to a pitiful shield.

Remlap122310/9/2014, 5:02:06 PM1 votes

I love Yasuo. He's fun to play and has an interesting lore. And it's making me cringe how much they're nerfing him, because they're nerfing the wrong spots, and by the time they actually hit the right ones, he's going to be Gnar tier. It's sad. All they really needed to do is lower his AA range and his movespeed. The problem isn't that Yasuo deals huge amounts of damage necessarily, but the fact YOU CAN'T OUTRUN HIM. That dash and his ludicrous attack range is a testament to that.

Flawless Fetus10/9/2014, 5:45:29 PM1 votes

I suggested this forever ago. At the time I thought it made sense. Yasuo has been so overnerfed, though, that I think this'd be a mistake now. He was weak before this last patch hit; now he's even weaker. I played Yasuo up to D2 while he was strong. He's been toned down /alot/, I'm pretty much afraid to pick him anymore due to fear of being a liability. lol.

TheRainInSpain10/9/2014, 5:58:32 PM1 votes

I think the intention was you take him bot with your support teammate. I mean, they did say that shield was counter ranged harass. And he is actually an ADC, just a melee ADC. People just took him top or mid because the idea of anything not a ranged ADC in that bot lane is absurd to 95% of the playerbase.

/BeginADCRant Even if you manage to get 80% winrate and Challenger without an ADC bot lane, even if you manage to change the meta, even if you get to Worlds without a ranged ADC in the bot lane ... People will hate you, people will spam report you, people will threaten you, people will drophack you, people will probably rob/hurt you in RL, and people will quit League by the thousands if you use anything other than a ranged ADC in that bot lane.

However, there is no set in stone tablets meta for any of the other four positions on a team. You can do anything you want as long as there is a ranged ADC in the bot lane. /EndADCRant

dialMARK4acti0n10/9/2014, 6:13:09 PM1 votes

I main Yasuo and I approve this message.

Seriously, this change could potentially balance him and save him from being Olaf'd.

Solidair310/9/2014, 9:37:16 PM1 votes

I HATE Yasuo.

That being said, the first few levels are integral to success in some match ups, and starting with W, or not having a shield at level one would be very detrimental to yasuo's ultimate success.

egoSniper10/10/2014, 12:50:51 AM1 votes

Yeah, I haven't lost lane against a Yasuo even once since the 2nd week of his release, and he's only been nerfed over and over since then.

Now I honestly wonder how anyone could ever win a lane with him.

And if he's not winning, well... he's melee. If he's not stomping, he's not doing much.

Lneacx10/9/2014, 5:45:42 AM1 votes

Probably not: Yasuo desperately both a shield and his Q to survive lane. Having to pick only one at lvl 1 will probably result in a net nerf compared to 4.18 Yasuo, even if W-Shield Yasuo has 50 more health.

MasticatingGrill10/9/2014, 7:47:06 AM1 votes

Brand main....you may as well be top Cho vs Nasus. The question is how many champs does he counter in early laning. And how many champs SHOULD he counter in early laning. The reduction cuts down his First Bloods and pre-six kills.

Yasuo now needs to sweat more and farm more. He's barely slower but the 10% HP nerf at lvl 1 increases his passive dependence. With the HP nerf I think his shield needs to remain with the passive. Further, his tiny speed nerf means more time spent walking for Flow.

Considering how bad he already did against various ranged mids and stun mids, Yasuo is going to be more Top and so deliciously squishy.

Knalxz10/9/2014, 8:50:07 AM1 votes

i've been saying this for months now

-.-'

DaCush10/9/2014, 9:44:47 AM1 votes

Just remove his shield. Problem resolved. Able to be poked down so has a weakness, but still has double crit chance and is an extremely mobile hypercarry with no cds

Fredart10/9/2014, 12:53:19 PM1 votes

Yasuo so under powered, easliy rapeable by any caster.

Skia Asteri10/9/2014, 2:13:35 PM1 votes

It would give him a reason to level Windwall in lane against melee opponents. That would be nice for going against him as Poppy in top lane.