Either Nautilus is OP or this guy exploiting a bug.

Lycra··1 votes·2,989 views

I just laned against Nautilus top as Riven and even though I had more CS than him, throughout the entire laning phase I couldn't touch him at all. He somehow was able to out trade me every single time I tried to harass him and then healed it all back up. This is the most oppressive matchup I've ever had, and it just seemed incredibly unfair.

After his first back he got Bami's Cinder and it felt like he had just bought two sunfire capes. I had more CS than him and he had no kills, but somehow I could not manage to get 10% of his health off without risking death. He eventually killed me after I tried to all in him when I was at full heath and he had 50% health because of a gank. I did the full riven combo, ERWQ AA Q AA Q AA R and got him to about 25% health and then he bursted me and I died and he got his first kill and proceeded to destroy every other lane.

I have no idea.

11 Comments

Zero Skill Tank7 votes

Riven player complains about oppressive matchups. Ohboy.

I know it's hard to imagine but there are champions who you won't kill with muscle memory combo just because you are a Riven. You was outfarming him as you say, you should have kept this up.

Lycra1 votes

The reason why I pointed out that I was playing Riven is because it makes it that much more insane that a 50% health underfed level 6 champion, tank or not, was able to survive an entire Riven rotation.

So.. What? Are you saying that when laning against Nautilus as a melee fighter, you should never trade with him and just farm? There's no way you can kill him? Just to clarify.

Zero Skill Tank3 votes

Riven can kill stuff when she is below 50% for the same reason Naut does: shield and lots of CC. Naut just happens to do this better.

So.. What? Are you saying that when laning against Nautilus as a melee fighter, you should never trade with him and just farm? There's no way you can kill him? Just to clarify.

That depends on who you play but often yes. As a Riven player you should be well aware that there are such matchups, because Riven does the same to many champs, and this is why I find your thread so silly.

That being said Naut is kind of over the top now, but that's because of changes to itemization, not because he beats a Riven in lane because he always did.

Nanuk Pihoqahiak2 votes

Grasp of The Undying + tank masteries + his shield. He was probably timing a lot of damage inbetween your shields and knew the matchup quite well. If you don't immediately kill a tanky character with grasp, they lure you into a game of attrition.

Mecha MaIphite2 votes

then healed it all back up

With what? Pots? Naut has no built-in sustain.

Lycra1 votes

Health regen.

HoukagoFapTime1 votes

Tank/HP Regen masteries, and he's a full tank Naut. I doubt riven can do anything against him.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Don't forget his shield. Once you get some heath items, that thing is one of the best tank stats in the game (personal favorite is RoA. Health, mana, and damage, everything the Submarine wants)

CPU BIanc1 votes

nautilus punishes squishy melees really hard. I dont think people understand how hard his fking E hits. Riven isnt known for her great base stats either so that doesnt help

Mirage Seraph1 votes

I'd just parrot what everybody else said but instead I'll give you a few tips for dealing with Naut Top.

A) MR kills Naut. People see Naut and think "CC Tank" not "DoT CC Tank", so the most they ever get is MAYBE Merc Treads. But MR kills Naut's DPS similar to how hard to hurts Singed's.

B) Don't run away from his Riptide. A good Naut Top will use his Riptide while he walks away. The bread and butter of trading with Naut is the Q > AA > W > AA > Walk Out > E combo. Generally speaking your first instinct will be to walk away from the shielded tank once the root wears off but that'll just cause you to get hit by 2 or 3 Riptides. Instead just walk towards him for a brief period and you'll only get hit once, unless the junglers nearby this shouldn't lead you into any further danger.

Should be noted subsequent hits of Riptide deal 50% damage from the initial hit. So getting hit by 1 would say do 100 damage, but being dumb and walking along the Riptide will potentially deal 200 damage (not to mention that slow). At 100 damage that's no big deal but the base damage and scaling is pretty heavy for what it is. My usual rush of RoA + Liandries/Abyssal Scepter will easily be doing ~500 damage for all 3 hits if I'm even in lane.

So when dueling Naut, try and stay on top of him, it's very counter productive compared to most champions but it hits him pretty hard. His Ult won't go through your team, his root won't mean as much since you'll still be able to AA, hook ends up being a minor disturbance. TL;DR, Naut has personal space issues. Sometimes he wants to be sitting on you, sometimes he's a little tsundere and wants to keep distance and close that distance at his pace.

I honestly wish more people laned with Nautilus. It's a really good pick if you want to shut down melee carries early and allow your team to snowball without fear, then transition into a full tank frontline when you're no longer able to duel, short of going full AP, as silly as it is it's pretty useless lategame.

Mr Broken Wings1 votes

Riven is shit and he counters your e with his cc, obviously you will not be able to outtrade him if you cant snowball earlygame on him. From my personal opinion though thats not hard to do, I dont recall ever losing a lane against a Nautilus. If you give him time to farm up and be tanky then you wont win with her, but thats a general rule of that champion. You should see what 0-2 renekton does with riven when he has a sunfire, he STILL wins the lane, hilarious. Tldr: its pretty normal that you lost the lane if you didnt snowball early.

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