Reworked Zilean is one of my top 3 played champions in ranked standing on a 65% winrate

YvieZileanOddly·5/17/2015, 3:06:42 AM·48 votes·3,366 views

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/214137494?champion=26&matchType=2

I consider myself a post-rework zilean main, and I can honestly say he's really bad right now, BUT not as bad as people make him out to be. He's actually a decent mid laner and an extremely safe pick. Decent poke dmg once you get the ap (albeit unreliable), speed + slow makes dealing with ganks from allies or enemies easy, and you have your ult to fall back on. He's actually a much better mid laner than he is a support. Mid lane zilean has serious potential, and we shouldn't over buff him just because he's hard to play. These are the changes I think would put him in the right spot:

Passive is absolute garbage. They gut a global passive to just your lane partner, without any compensation at all. Either increase the experience gain to something useful or give him a new passive. I'd say its one the worst, if not the worst, passives in the game right now. It doesn't even do anything at level 18. It's just not good. Seriously, improving Zilean's passive is probably the easiest change you could give him. You don't even have to think about it. Just do it.

Bombs are simply too hard to land. They need to be skillshots, no doubt, but I don't think going from point and click to almost impossible to land on anyone once they get tier 2 boots was a good idea. Reduce the cast time or the time it takes to land or something. And I know someone's going to say "b-but the stun is so good", it's really not all that. That whole "land 2 Qs and stun entire enemy team" is just a fairy tale. It doesn't actually happen, and in the small chance you land 2Qs in a teamfight, the blast radius is only big enough to stun 2, maybe 3 if your lucky, people for 1.5 seconds. Just make them easier to land and problem solved.

W is fine imo.

Just revert the E change completely. Movement speed cap doesn't make it much better than 55%, the speed/ slow was way better before with a longer duration. I don't even see the reason for the change. Just change it back completely.

I'm honestly fine with the ult nerf. I didn't like having to constantly spam w anyway.

I'd say mid lane zilean is ok, but support zilean is absolutely awful. Jack of no trades and definitely not the master of any. Unreliable poke with non existent damage unless with a significant amount of ap, which is hard to achieve while supporting. Stun is extremely hard to utilize. No hard engage. No sustain. Pretty much have to build a mana item to be useful, and have to build ap to do a sliver of damage in lane. Also gets blown up if you don't ult yourself. Just so, so so so bad. And to makes matters even worse, a good portion of supports have shields and heals to block his bombs because they're delayed. Not only that, but adcs can easily dodge them with dashes.

TL;DR Zilean mid is ok but not as bad as people think. Passive is terrible and ineffective. Make bombs easier to land. Revert E change. Support zilean is awful.

22 Comments

Curling Veigar5/17/2015, 8:36:49 AM5 votes

what rank? i can play any champ gold and below and have a 90% winrate

Spacesuit Spiff5/17/2015, 6:14:30 AM3 votes

They should give him a passive with an internal cooldown, to work with his W. Good post.

Gavran5/17/2015, 2:07:03 PM2 votes

I've been playing him recently and... nah he's better than he ever was. The stun isn't super hard to land, and it's really effective defensively even if you don't land it. His bombs are zoning, not just because "you'll take damage in a while" but because "that stun will either stop you from catching us or get you killed."

And his new offensive E is amazeballs. Point and click Morg Q (admittedly not til you've got a bunch of points in it, I'm maxing it second now). And you get two of them.

He's a force multiplier though. Without good teammates, his only relevant ability is his Q. Though I find he's also much better at clearing a wave of minions (to stop a split push) than most supports I play, so that's pretty awesome too.

Voluug135/17/2015, 4:08:23 AM2 votes

I think Zilean needs a more deep change. But I agree a better passive is in serious need.

Currently W is pretty... well, just there. Q and E could work with charges system and it could be way better that using W. That could free W's spell slot for an actual spell, something that gave him either better midlane (an offensive damaging spell) or botlane (utility/sustain).

Zilean needs an actual rework, not a nerf disguised as a rework, because that is what he got.

GuiltyGecko5/17/2015, 8:41:05 PM2 votes

So I was thinking that Zilean's Q could have Bard's W-Heal targeting paradigm. For those that don't know, Bard's heal is a skill shot, but when you mouse over an ally it becomes a targeted ability. Perhaps it would be helpful if you could target bomb an ally if you mouse over them, but it would still be a normal skillshot for enemies.

OR, the first bomb could be a skillshot for enemies, but if they already have a bomb on them, then the second bomb could be targeted. Just throwing out ideas really.

UPfreely5/17/2015, 4:12:30 AM2 votes

someone give this man an upvote

Kaipop5/17/2015, 6:35:26 PM1 votes

I played Zilean mid, and his mid-late game was very good but his early game was just horrid for me.

DarkFaun Fortes5/17/2015, 9:40:53 PM1 votes

I've been maining Zilean as support after his re-work and I love it, becuse people are like "REally? polease not him!" and then when were playing I acctually get a thanks, or "wow" for once as a support, because people are suprized How good I did.

He's not bad, hes just not the same stratagie and style of play he was before.

I Main Swain5/17/2015, 9:50:07 PM1 votes

passive should be changed to cdr rather than bonus xp. hes a freaking time lord, why is he granting experience?

DanofDemacia5/17/2015, 3:12:03 AM1 votes

I think hes actually pretty decent with the help of zilean support me (machine gun lulu) and hecarim 3v5ed at baron took it and finished. Wouldnt have been possible without his double q and ult it was pretty great

Migrañaboy5/18/2015, 8:14:53 AM1 votes

Jack of no trades and definitely not the master of any

Jackass of all trades.

ftfy ;)

Silent Cal5/17/2015, 3:50:08 AM1 votes

I don't know what to think anymore. I thought supp Zilean was better post-rework but maybe I was wrong....

SleepyLionCub5/17/2015, 3:58:34 AM1 votes

Tbh. His Ult can be straight broken in some teams. Any champion whose role is "do tons of damage then die" is basically a free win with zil because they get to do all that damage twice

Dengeden5/17/2015, 7:55:57 AM1 votes

I've said this before but it'd be really cool if his passive was buffed so it could help junglers level up faster. Making it give additional EXP for monsters would be pretty neat (but probably broken).

dr lichdeath5/17/2015, 11:24:31 AM1 votes

i only play zilean if i know im up vs teemo eat that u fucking bushfucker

Thanotos Omega5/17/2015, 11:30:06 AM1 votes

I say just let his bombs persist indefinitely until they find a target or he has more then two active, that way missed Bombs still act as zoning tools and two stacked are a powerful one,