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Your jungler's pint of view

VICHEL CHAOS·4/13/2018, 11:54:04 AM·61 votes·16,755 views

I recently saw a thread here about how to make your lane more gankable, and was inspired to write some of my thoughts as a jungler so laners cound understand them better. I'm platinum level, so not the best but many of the basics should still apply. Will attempt to push for diamond in summer tho! (Engineer life, don't have much time for this atm...) Also, english is not my first language, so apologies for any spelling or grammar mistake I can make.

1-This is the most important thing I'd like to emphasize as a jungler. If you, as a laner, are far behind, it is a terrible idea to gank. If the gank goes badly, the enemy laner and jungler may 2v2 us at a countergank, or sometimes even worse, 1v2 us. He might not even be too far ahead, but if the enemy has reached a powerspike while you have not, that situation may arise. If I see that one successful gank might change the way the lane is going completely, I might give it a shot, but if you need multiple successful ganks to get back into track, my time is better spent somewhere else. So, if the enemy Fiora is 4-0, I'm afraid you might be on your own for this one, just hug your tower and ward for dives. If the situation comes when you are constantly dove 1v1 and killed, the only thing left for me to do before helping you is to make that situation happen in reverse in some other lane or get big enough so that my help actually gives us a chance against the enemy monster, so I will help but it might take some time.

2-I need to farm. I cannot be constantly ganking around, or I will fall behind in levels and items. If I see or predict a good gank oportunity, I will try to path in a way that naturally leads me there. If the situation is extremely favorable and a great opportunity, I might skip some camps for it, but I will not walk from blue side krugs to gank top lane ignoring 3 camps on the way just because your laner is pushed. It is very important for a jungler to keep the jungle clear to be relevant.

3-It is not my job to win lane for you, or gank the same number of times that the opposing jungler ganked. If you lose your lane, it is not my fault. If I can help you win it I will, or help in a slight losing situation, but it is not something I have to do. I am as interested in winning as you are, but you have to accept that sometimes the path to victory is not you carrying. By the way, disrespecting me in any way probably makes me automatically assume that you are not in the mindset to be a useful asset to the team, so keep that in mind when asking for a gank.

4-Depending on the situation, a gank is simply not possible. If I am a level 4 Shyvana, well, unless the enemy does something extremely stupid and you have a lot of CC, it will be hard for me to do anything for you. I will emphasize ganking if the situation is good for it, but it might not be the case. Maybe I want to farm, maybe counterjungle, secure a buff, maybe another lane is better prepared. Also, sometimes the gank opportunities occur when I am on the other side of the map and I will not get there on time.

5-Now, if the enemy laner tilts, believe me that I will set up that tent in your bushes. We get a kill top lane at level 3? I might as well sit in the bushes until he tps back and kill him again. With some cooperation it is quite easy to get that all chat warrior to leave the game. If he types something along the likes of "noob cant 1v1", then be sure that he will never get a chance to 1v1 you until you get fed enough to stomp 3 of their team if they come to help him. Also, in general I will be happy to set up dives and lane ganks with you, but let me first make sure that the opposing jungler will not interfere. We can take the risk, but sometimes dives fail, it is a normal thing that happens and it is important to not to get tilted because of it.

6-Zuck Fhonyas Morgana midlane with ultimate. I'm not ganking that. Just enjoy your farm lane.

Anyways, that is it for now. It is a lot to take in, but I hope that some people understand why their jungler might not gank them even if the situation seems appropiate for a gank. To be honest, I get mostly flamed it plat 5 and 4. Below that, people do not have that "I'm the best and only I can carry this nob team" attitude, and above that, a guy who fed 4 solo kills undestands that ganking him will get us both killed, but there are always exceptions. This was sort of a rant, but it gets to be tiring to put up with this a lot of games, so I hope that some more people might understand a bit about what the jungler has on his mind. Have a nice day and good luck!

52 Comments

Sex Crazed Eve4/13/2018, 12:29:45 PM19 votes

I agree, fuck zhonya's morg with ignite midlane.

Malfectious4/13/2018, 3:56:05 PM16 votes

Gragas did someone say pint

hi ìm groot4/13/2018, 2:51:11 PM12 votes

Something I don't see people talk about that is important to consider for a laner is what kind of jungler you have. Different junglers actually have different goals when they're ganking. If you have a sejuani, nunu, some kind of tanky utility jg, then they prob are ganking to set you up in lane and support you. But if your jungler is a yi, xin zhao, kayn, than their gank pathing is more focused on getting themselves ahead.

Carry junglers are much less likely to do ganks that will most likely only yield a summoner spell. They will rather either counter gank when a fight is commited, or gank a lane because the summoner spells are down, or if the lane has enough CC that they can kill the laner regardless. As utility junglers they will be more willing to put themselves behind to put laners ahead, usually.

Lùmen4/13/2018, 3:23:10 PM9 votes

The main problem is losing laners who don't even care about anyone else and just want the jungler to spam gank hoping they'd somehow manage to stop losing the lane without even realizing the fact that ganking a losing lane is an utter waste of time and a shitty risk like 90% of the times. If my bot is hard losing and my top can't stop dying to ganks, I won't even touch those lanes because they're fucking done for. But my mid got first blood and has lane priority 100% of the time. Whenever I show up his lane opponent either dies or blows summs, or I countergank when the jungler tries to gank him when he shoved the wave into the enemy's turret after putting down 1-2 wards at good spots thanks to his lane priority.

Hügö4/13/2018, 5:46:58 PM7 votes

As a jungle main myself i want to add a few things or make something more clear.

Point 1: When you as a laner SOLO (without the enemy jungler) die 2 or 3 times to the enemy laner there is no point in helping you. You have to accept the fact that the enemy just outclasses you in lane and that a gank will help nobody. The risk to die to the enemy is way to high for the little profit it would get, you might get a kill but the enemy laner is still stronger as a laner.

Point 2: An important point. I as a jungler have to manage my camps, buffs, the enemy camps and maybe objectives like drake and herald. So there might not be the opportunity to come right away.

Point 3: Again a very good point. You can consider jungle as another lane. You wouldn't like that, for example, your toplaner roamed mid and got a kill. You will have a much harder time in lane now. The same goes for jungler, the more you die to my enemy "laner" the harder time I have to contest objectives or challange him in his or my jungle. And at some point when all lanes are ungankable as a junglers view the only way is to hard farm.

Point 4: When you are picking top Teemo or mid Zed and im maybe a Rengar don't expect me to gank it will just not happen. You have no setup for a gank neither have I.

Point 5: Nothing to add.

Point 6: Same goes for other things. Some things are just ungankable. Never expect me to gank a Heimer it's like eating soup with a fork: wtf am I doing? Or champions with very easy escapes like Talon E.

YoungFarmer4/13/2018, 2:45:08 PM6 votes

Some people also don't seem to understand how impossible it is to gank their lane sometimes.

For example ganking a leblanc mid when they are playing mord and have no hard CC.

ForFoxSakes4/13/2018, 3:53:39 PM5 votes

Totally agree with all of the OP points. A lot of people still wont agree even reading this because they'll feel entitled to being babysat, or have the mentality that everyone is shit and theyre the win condition on their team, partially bc that's whats solo queue sometimes is

I'd also add that :

  1. if their build is shit I'm not ganking for them. IE - ADC chose to rush something stupid like finish boots first vs the enemy who has a BF sword, there's no way we'll ever win that trade or even have the damage to kill them so coming to gank is a waste of time. Also seeing that if they dont know how to build properly, getting them a kill and "ahead" doesnt mean they'll know how to carry even with a lead

  2. If I see they have shitty back timings I'll also less likely gank for them such as seeing someone with full HP go back without shoving the lane because they can afford an item they want, or if they just consistently blow all their mana to waveclear then base to recharge mana... It basically throws the lead I give them away when they dont snowball with more exp and gold by laning properly

  3. If they dont at least try to get some vision control it's also a waste of time to come. I can head to go gank and they'll back off everytime when they have full vision, and it's a risk for me to come gank going in blind when I could get counterganked. I can put down some wards on my pass through, but most of the time my wards are better used in the deep jungle where laners arent always going to track their jungler. My job is better used to shut down their jungler rather than get you back to even. Nothing more frustrating to me when a bot lane cries for help to see they both have full ward charges, shoved under tower while support is building AP items and blaming me for their lane losing :/

Salson4/13/2018, 2:38:37 PM4 votes

Well on one hand, your points are spot on. The amount of dumbasess who think they can outright demand a gank is astounding.

On the other hand, most of us complain about the frequency and intensity ganks. This is because both losing and wining trough Jungle pressure feels so pointless.

When the enemy Jungler camps you, it's entirely possible to win with 50%+ survival rate. Dieing often feels like shit, but if the enemy Jungler has to gank you 7 bloody times to do so, you're still doing a good job. Your Jungler got 2 Drakes and your Bot lane is snowballed to hell so you now have 90% chance to win.....still feels like shit.

On the other hand, setting up and coordinating ganks feels very much like you're playing Robin to your Jungler's Batman. And no sane person should be content with being someones sidekick.

Some of us just want to play the bloody game.

SwiftKitten884/13/2018, 11:39:28 PM3 votes

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6-Zuck Fhonyas Morgana midlane with ultimate. I'm not ganking that. Just enjoy your farm lane.

as a lvl 7 Morgana on multi accounts.. yeah, morg is extremely toxic to face mid. that being said.. she isnt often played mid because playing it support is frankly so much more fun and interactive that despite how good she is mid.. i would much rather play her support than mid. besides her support build is nearly identical to her mid build anyways with just item 3098 being the only difference. which u don't even need to upgrade to tier three anymore

also.. your post is VERY well written. and i agree with EVERYTHING you wrote you clearly do have diamond game knowledge.

NaturesMayhem4/13/2018, 7:15:23 PM3 votes

Point 3 hits the nail on the head and is a argument I find using more often than not. So many times do I find myself telling my laner that it was his fault for getting outclassed and not mine because I didn't win lane for him. When you lose a straight up 1v1 lane with no pressure from either jungler, you have nobody to blame but yourself, or a understandable bad matchup that counters you.

Cynikul4/13/2018, 12:35:23 PM3 votes

Amen

Automated Riven4/14/2018, 10:36:59 PM2 votes

My personal opinion is that this is closer to a quart of view. But I could be off by a half a cup or so.

Zelorxon4/13/2018, 5:32:02 PM2 votes

GUYS. LEARN. HOW. TO. MANIPULATE. A. WAVE. LEARN WHEN TO PUSH AND WHEN NOT, LEARN HOW TO CRASH A WAVE AND MAKE IT PUSH BACK. PUSH AFTER LV7. JESUS, GODDAMN FUCKING CHRIST. The informations are out there, they are one click far from you, they are out there, i promise.

Power Cosmic4/13/2018, 5:32:45 PM2 votes

This is like a nice start to an instructional manual for what laners should expect. Also I think mid and support need to be aware of when they should be on the move themselves.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku4/13/2018, 7:45:01 PM2 votes

4-Depending on the situation, a gank is simply not possible. If I am a level 4 Shyvana, well, unless the enemy does something extremely stupid and you have a lot of CC

remind me of a Garen spamming ping... play some play making champ if you need a babysitter.

. We can take the risk, but sometimes dives fail, it is a normal thing that happens and it is important to not to get tilted because of it.

Sure... but jng shouldn't force when the laner ping back. i talk to you plat junglerS.

To be honest, I get mostly flamed it plat 5 and 4.

nothing surprinsing... the level is awfully low. i thinks its even worse than last year at same elo.

Below that, people do not have that "I'm the best and only I can carry this nob team" attitude

i smurf often (most of my friends are very low elo silver/bronze) and i disagree with this. They're arrogant (for no reason) and act like princess thinkin all ressource should be allowed for them.

revliledpembroke4/13/2018, 9:03:51 PM2 votes

Did you type the title with an accent or something? "From a certain pint of view"

ZackTheWaffleMan4/13/2018, 11:20:31 PM2 votes

Bartender: "What're ye havin'?" Muradin: "Ach, I'll take the pint o' view."

BigFBear4/14/2018, 11:33:36 AM2 votes

Also there are some champs that are cancer to gank like Ilaoi (dmg/sustain), Heimer (Towers), Darius (sustain), Morgana (CC). Mostly junglers wont gank those lanes.

GayFluffyUnicorn4/13/2018, 3:38:02 PM1 votes

"I need to farm" mistake number one and why so many bad junglers are annoying the shit out of especially solo laners. No you do not need to farm. You have so much time inbetween camps to do something and it is not only ganking. You can ward, you can just show presence there is so much for you to do. I swear if for every thread of junglers and supports explaining us how to play the game there would be atleast ONE thread for you guys less people would complain and we could spare us that circle.

Battalion4/14/2018, 1:26:17 AM1 votes

If your DoT accidentally takes my buff at level 1, I am holding you personally accountable. I may act nice, I may try to be civil, but if I had just one wish in League at that moment it would not be to win the game, it would be to put that DoT on every minion you try to last hit for the next 5 minutes in lane.

Don't DoT at the last 400HP of a buff, don't, just...please.

I won't flame you, but I'll be camming to your lane every chance I get; putting your head between my index and thumb, then squishing your head aggressively.

Kindred summoner 11 Ree

Tundra Hunter4/13/2018, 2:48:53 PM1 votes

I agree mostly, as a jungler main, platinum since s4 as well, but I rarely won't gank a lane who is behind, unless it's a Renekton extremely fed. Most of the time, as I farm well, I feel that I could 1v1... so 2v1, with a laner who is behind, well sure. It might get a shut down and help a teammate to come back into the game. I think understanding when you can 2v1 a fed enemy, even if risky, is an important step to be a good jungler

Science Fiction4/14/2018, 2:14:01 PM1 votes

Playing devils advocate here, and harping on something that really bothers me.

"It's not the Jungler's job to win your lane for you" --Agreed, but it's also not your mid or top's job to win your jungle for you.

I can't tell you the amount of times our JG has died to an early enemy JG gank at our red buff/blue buff, and then spams pings every 45 seconds for help in his jungle. As a laner, I will come help you if it warrants it (I.E. I look and determine if I'll get there in time, is the enemy a champ with easy escape? Shaco, how fed is he? Do I have mana/ HP for this?). Your top and mid laners can't spend the entire laning phase playing walking simulator into the jungle to help, or WE fall behind. If you got ganked early in your jungle, your best bet is to ward and to anticipate points of friction (ok, he killed me at my red and took it, he's gonna know when it's up, I'll ask for help early for the next one.)

MuffledGarbage4/13/2018, 11:34:06 PM1 votes

1- No joke, all my junglers act as if I'm somehow behind when the game starts. Doesn't even matter what champ I am or they are.

2- 25/30 of my last junglers ignored top after getting level 3 from blue buff when my enemy laner was pushed to my tower

3- If I'm toplane and I'm fighting a Gnar it'll be impossible for me to win without the Gnar majorly messing up. Gnar's main weakness is jungle ganks, and if I'm playing a champ who can lock him down but I don't get any jungle ganks, it's GG for my lane

4- this is understandable, but I still get more junglers whom ignore toplane(my lane) even when the lane is literally perfect for a gank. Enemy low health/used their summoners, I have my summoners up, I have CC. Even with Gank-Heavy junglers like Sejuani or Zac my lane gets ignored

5- I don't know if it's just in my games but when I get ahead 3-0 and just keep steamrolling, I never get any tents pitched toplane. EVER. Within my last 90 games I haven't gotten a single camp toplane when I did well

6- I don't blame you