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PSA: Old League was just as bad as New League

The entire team·1/12/2020, 8:42:57 PM·8 votes·2,123 views

Pretty sure you revert babies need to know this. I mean, yeah there are many things that frustrate the fuck out of us in this season, but old League did have a lot of those moments of stupidity as well, so it ain’t perfect all year round. I mean, who could forget:

Deathfire Grasp meta, especially on Ahri

Season 3 Kassawin

Leblanc oneshotting with her silence (yes that existed before this so called “one shot” meta)

Old Poopy

Old Fiora with Tiamat

One shot Rengar without the stealth warning AND Sword of the Divine (look it up)

Old Nidalee (AKA Zoe with no windup, no need to farm, and can avoid being punished, unlike Zoe)

Release Graves

Old Sion (both builds)

Old Akali (why do you want this one and not the new one?)

Old Katarina (the original faceroller)

Release Riven

AP Yi

Pick order vs call order

Release Xin Zhao

Global TF and Pantheon ultimates

Old Ryze

Supports, the moving Ward Dispensers

Buying our runes (stupid idea btw)

Remember Renekton

Release Gragas (you’re all terrible people for wanting this back by the way)

Robbing dragon of its money

Release Diana

Release Lee Sin

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Can you please take off the nostalgia goggles?

27 Comments

nm10101/12/2020, 10:21:26 PM5 votes

Those were exceptions, not the rule like nowadays. At least in the "good old days" I refer to.

Troll Slaiyer1/12/2020, 10:38:33 PM5 votes

wasnt perfect but still far better than current. just to get rid of new champions alone is worth it

Lovelle1/12/2020, 9:08:10 PM4 votes

Defensive itemization was a lot better though. I miss Sunfire Cape and Randuin's actually being good items. I miss tanky on-hit builds. I miss Frozen Mallet building from Phage and Giant's Belt.

I miss defensive masteries actually scaling into late game.

Also miss Dominion, Ascension and old Twisted Treeline.

epicepicness1/12/2020, 10:49:31 PM4 votes

The thing is, No one is saying the old seasons were perfect, no one is saying that the old seasons had nothing wrong with them at all. Literally no one is saying that (although a couple of examples you mentioned aren't accurate). There will always be 'broken' champions; be it Kassadin, Aphelios, old Akali, or new Akali. The big difference is that what you mention are very specific examples, whereas people's issue with the current game is far broader, and not just specific champions and items.

A good example of this is Electrocute and old Thunder-lord's Decree. It's practically the same rune, yet Electrocute does flat out more damage. Not just that, but Thunder-lord's was far out the most picked keystone, whereas Electrocute isn't even the most optimal choice for a lot of champions that used to run Thunder-lord's. Beyond that, items have gotten more efficient (old vs new Guardian Angle is a good example of that), and more powerful overal. Meanwhile, while damage numbers on abilities have remained relatively equal, you get 40% cooldown reduction by default and champions have far more resets and such than before. Meaning that damage is not only hitting harder, but also more frequent. Meanwhile the defensive options have stayed similar or gotten worse.

There are always OP champions, but the current game has gone to a state where not just a couple of examples are broken and terrible to play against, but basically everything is. All of those broader changes lead to the game being highly unforgiving and snowballs quickly. That (in my observations) is what people are 'complaining' about the most these days.

Malix Farwin1/12/2020, 10:50:19 PM3 votes

Old Poppy actually sucked till late game. You won 0 matchups and was incredibly hard to CS with thats why she got reworked.

XJ999999999999991/12/2020, 9:03:09 PM3 votes

Preseason 1 player here who was gold season 1 and rank 1 season 2.

I never found deathfire grasp to be a problem. All champs 1 shot now which makes the game feel like everyone has the item anyway. It was an investment. If you used it mid combo, you didn't benfit as much. You had to use it before everything. Could play safe, use escapes, and abuse it not being up, as a lot of the power was in the active.

Season 3 idk. Kass has always been a thing. was w/e.

Leblacn release was hilarious. Thing is though, it was fix'd next patch. No broken things for months.

What about old poppy? It was never "Broken". It was just unique.

Old fiora with tiamat was strong and had counter play. If you didn't play around it, she found success. She was the teamfight queen. So?

Rengar was weird because people were so focused on doing the silly AP build instead of actual AD. I mean, he's an assassin, and damage wasn't as high before.

I didn't like old nidalee, but people always told me "just dodge it". People had some rose tinted glasses on that one.

Release graves was silly and he got plenty of nerfs.

Old sion was nerfed quite fast and was more of a pub thing after. Wasn't rly strong except in season 1 for a bit.

Old akali was just face roll. Idk.

Idk what about old kat? Idk what the argument is to be made about these champs tbh.

release riven? what about her. yeah she was decent but not many people even knew how strong she was. I remember saying she was durpo strong and the community said it took skill so it was ok.

AP Yi was a troll build. wasn't "strong" unless you had 0 cc for w/e reason.

Pick vs call? Idk I liked that just because it made people talk instead of shit talking 24/7.

release xin idk wasnt there or i dont remember as I was too new. people talk about release xin but 100% most people who complain about it werent even there. it was nerfed asap. as well.

global tf and panth ults and it wasnt an actual complaint back then. Why? Because players werent abusing them as much as they could and less dmg. So... Yeah not rly a "Con".

ryze has always been aids. idk why they bother with him. Every rework is always "tanky/burst/AoE/healing mage".

supports was fine

buying runes was something the community didnt backlash on just due to being conditioned to it.

what about renekton? lol

release gragas wasnt aids. i remember i was doing some ap builds and I got flammed and was told to build him tank. AP gragas wasnt a thing until LCS.

dragon giving money was cool

release diana was toned down after release and she was fine.

release lee I think got buffed after? I remember everyone saying he was total garbage and he was only picked up months after. I also remember saying he was broken and too forgiving back in the day and being told "he takes skill so its ok". its strange that it took 5 years for people to realize that -shrug-.

Ahri Baka1/12/2020, 9:57:37 PM2 votes

It's just boards , I know how the game has always been like that ( seriously old Akali was absolutely cancer and op )

Crescent Dusk1/13/2020, 12:34:30 AM2 votes

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Pretty sure you revert babies need to know this. I mean, yeah there are many things that frustrate the fuck out of us in this season, but old League did have a lot of those moments of stupidity as well, so it ain’t perfect all year round. I mean, who could forget:

Deathfire Grasp meta, especially on Ahri

Season 3 Kassawin

Leblanc oneshotting with her silence (yes that existed before this so called “one shot” meta)

Old Poopy

Old Fiora with Tiamat

One shot Rengar without the stealth warning AND Sword of the Divine (look it up)

Old Nidalee (AKA Zoe with no windup, no need to farm, and can avoid being punished, unlike Zoe)

Release Graves

Old Sion (both builds)

Old Akali (why do you want this one and not the new one?)

Old Katarina (the original faceroller)

Release Riven

AP Yi

Pick order vs call order

Release Xin Zhao

Global TF and Pantheon ultimates

Old Ryze

Supports, the moving Ward Dispensers

Buying our runes (stupid idea btw)

Remember Renekton

Release Gragas (you’re all terrible people for wanting this back by the way)

Robbing dragon of its money

Release Diana

Release Lee Sin

.

Can you please take off the nostalgia goggles?

Nope. Watch Talon's 7 year old champ highlight video.

One full combo on Ahri, at most half her health with ignite.

Fast Forward to now, one combo = full health with ignite. It's legit the doubling of damage.

There's no point whatsoever to tanks if said tanks don't have damage like Sion/Shen/Ornn.

Picked a Nunu? Get wrecked, full Nunu combo at best does 30% of someone's damage and goes on a humongous 12 second cd. Virtually all the jungle roster but evelynn can push you out of jungle.

Panthaz891/13/2020, 7:49:58 AM1 votes

Old league was a lot better for individual skill(S2-S5)....now you have a fed hecarim running and tanking 10+ turret shots that can kill you under tower despite kiting him for 25 seconds...having one incredibly mobile champion fed on the other team on someone who has any clue and the game ends because you literally can't walk anywhere without getting 2 shot after simply trying to ward a spot..back in old league an entire team or at least several players had to punish you but this is just beyond dumb in its current state. Landing 2-3 autos or 1-2 abilities to die is a joke...either you stomp or do the stomping. Comebacks rarely every happen like before because its way too easy to dive and kill anyone.

Malix Farwin1/12/2020, 11:16:58 PM1 votes

Its understandable to not like the Meta and the current state of the game but in the old season there was far less champions with decent win rate. You basically had maybe 10-15 champions with good win rates and the rest were crap. Most champions now are around 50% or higher with the highest WR being 54%.

AddictedToLeague1/13/2020, 12:04:46 AM1 votes

Only reasons I miss old league are because of pre-reworked champs and I liked the old map better. Oh yeah and damage creep.

in a hood near u1/13/2020, 12:25:35 AM1 votes

Maybe 10 years ago people didn't feel as entitled? The internet has come a long way, and it's possible that ten years ago people didn't feel like it was their right to be heard. I know back when I started, it was adapt or lose. Coming on reddit or coming here to complain for change was such a foreign concept. These days it seems a lot of people here are quicker to complain than to adapt.

Sire Hippington1/13/2020, 1:54:37 AM1 votes

All of those are single champions or items, most of them not at the same time and taken care of within a couple of patches and could be dealt with with a ban till then.

No one that wants the old days back wants them without any balance changes that were needed, no one asks for a champ like jayce or diana to be put back into his **exact **release state. I would love to go back to S2, but that doesn't mean that i wouldn't take the S4/5 state of supports and vision over the old Oracles-wars any day. No one says we have to keep all the issues that actually have been solved/improved when going back to older seasons.

The current state howerver is different. People complain about snowballing in genreal, about damage overall beeing to high, about tankiness feeling bad, about the overloaded design not of a single champion, but ~80% of the releases, and they don't do so for some patches, they basically complain about the same overall issues since S6. It's not about single questionable descisions form riot as it was in the past, it's about the entier course of the game, about MANY succesively bad decisions over multiple seasons, to a point where you either question their vision of the game(atleast as a veteran), or their overall competence. This is a totally different scale of complaints/discontent compared to old seasons.

Kai Guy1/13/2020, 4:52:22 AM1 votes

I am going to 1 up your opening statment. Season 1 and earlier has some of the very worst game designee in leagues entire history.

5050BS1/13/2020, 5:09:47 AM1 votes

No it was better.

S5 was the peak of League.

boricCentaur11/12/2020, 8:58:43 PM1 votes

Would be nice if people did. But people will stick to a memory of a meta they really liked and imagine that the entire season was like that.

I love season 6 it's my favorite but I know why and will not say it's perfect. The majority of the reason was kindred was broken af for a large part of it and many of my champions were strong too.

I wish people would forces on what can riot do to improve and not just revert to a season just so all of those complaints come back.

Like I fucking swear everyone says damage is high EVERY SEASON even in a tank meta ok.