Tell me How's toplane not hardest lane to carry a game from to the point of near being useless.

TTg Scirocco3·1/17/2020, 3:56:48 PM·4 votes·3,220 views

So as toplaner, in order for me to carry game, I have to hard win lane, have perfect cs While also no die to ganks Because tipicall junglers Just camp toplane, I have to frontline While also being the initiateur While also tank the highest dmg i can While also try to kill backline or make them focus me, My item are so expensive, if u end up in mele Vs range match up, u are just doomed and fall off to the mercy of ur team carrying u ... While also u have not to get counter Picked ... like intel how long toplane is remaning like this ?

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Pandemic Punch1/17/2020, 8:27:13 PM4 votes

If it went back to a meta where tanks are strong and dont get instantly deleted....

Teams will be much more dependent on a frontline to tank the hyper carry ADC's whose primary job is to efficiently kill tanks. Back when not every class in the game ruined tanks.

Kazekiba1/17/2020, 5:07:19 PM4 votes

Two fucking rift heralds and teleport.

Focus less on your "island" and more on winning the game

Lovelle1/18/2020, 5:55:27 PM2 votes

I would say jungle is the hardest role to carry from unless you're playing one of the few champs that dominate the early game. Support is also pretty difficult unless you're playing one of the pseudo-carries.

Lułu1/17/2020, 8:22:31 PM2 votes

You're comparing your lane from a diamond's perspective, which I assume you aren't? Yes, maybe someone like your god and idol Hashinshin swapped from top to mid, but that doesn't mean in the slightest that top isn't valuable. Sure, carrying from mid is easier, but you're not going top to carry early game. Its partially reliant on a good team, but so is this entire game. They've added herald to help keep top pressure existing, and now you can get TWO of them. Look at some top laners, take a Nasus who's been farming all game, what happens when he finally joins his team? He's a nightmare, for lack of a better word, crushes turrets, champions, everything in the game, and doesn't die. Or even a Shen who can just be anywhere on the map at once, R's in and keeps people locked into him, while still having TP to go back top at a moment's notice. Its also one of the easiest lane to keep harassing and pushing throughout the game to keep enemy's distracted or forcing them to lose turrets while someone split pushes it.

tl;dr - If you find it so worthless, just don't play it.

JackMcCarry1/17/2020, 5:44:23 PM1 votes

Tell that to trynd from my last game.

HercaZ1/17/2020, 8:39:56 PM1 votes

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So as toplaner, in order for me to carry game, I have to hard win lane, have perfect cs While also no die to ganks Because tipicall junglers Just camp toplane, I have to frontline While also being the initiateur While also tank the highest dmg i can While also try to kill backline or make them focus me, My item are so expensive, if u end up in mele Vs range match up, u are just doomed and fall off to the mercy of ur team carrying u ... While also u have not to get counter Picked ... like intel how long toplane is remaning like this ?

Cool complaining, now try carrying with supporter playing with inactive ADC... Then talk how hard it is to carry a game while having teleport and enough power to kill herald...

consensuaI clown1/17/2020, 10:18:55 PM1 votes

Post is correct, but I am laughing reading all the Hashinshin fanboys comments.

Only role that can easily solo carry is midlane and few specific junglers.

Worst JG Wins1/17/2020, 10:39:02 PM1 votes

In any elo below diamond top is by far the best role for carrying. Learn to split and auto win 90% of your games if you're the better top. Especially this season with double herald and the absurdly poor balanced XP gains top and mid get.

xHeimtechZX1/19/2020, 2:50:59 AM1 votes

Erm, its definitely more than just Hashinshin saying that. I watch a lot of top lane streamers that are diamond+. Some of them are going mid and some just says that top lane is in a poor state right now. Top lane just has the least impact on the map during laning phase. Yes, I like to dominate my lane opponent, invade the enemy jungle, or gank mid. However, top lane is the lane that takes the longest to arrive and its far away from dragon. If you're using a champion like Darius, you can't just teleport botside because he uses ghost. Top has to sacrifice a lot more just to participate in dragon skirmishes. Since a lot of the game is played botside now, you might not get jungle help. And if you happen to get an enemy jungler that just constantly gank top for some reason, you can't really do anything. Honestly, I'm okay with that lol. As long as my jungler is helping with the rest of the map, then I'm fine. Let that enemy jungler waste his time at top. Might even sneak in a kill on the jungler. If you don't get people ganking top, its easy win. Top definitely has the easiest laning phase if its a pure 1v1. Its not as safe as mid, which means its easier to kill the opponent lol. You also tend to get jungler love with Rift Herald when you do really well. Other than that, its really just the matchups. If you're first pick, you can get counterpicked. Range top into melee top seems like an issue in high elo. They can still poke you under tower, so even tower hugging isn't safe. After laning phase, it really depends how well your team did. Sometimes its better to split-push and other times its better to teamfight. If the teamfighting isn't going well, I rather just splitpush to put pressure and get attention on myself. Either way, support isn't that hard to carry since a lot of people aren't really that great at support and you have a ton of map influence. Mid and jungle has a lot of map influence so if you're good at those roles, shouldn't be that bad to carry. Although, it definitely gets hard for jungle if the team isn't doing well. Laners don't typically help junglers that much either unless its for leash, dragon, or baron, so scuttler fights and invades might be difficult. Lack of vision on the map can also be kinda crappy when you're jungling since the enemy could possibly invade. People put way too much pressure on the jungler tbh. Adc is just...farming...support is the one doing all the damage and plays in lane phase. After that, you position well in team fights. If you know how to use player attack move to be a kiting god, you should be fine. So which is the hardest role to carry? Idk, I guess it depends on your playstyle, if you have better micro or macro. But considering top lane does have the least map impact, I guess that is a valid reason to say that top is the hardest to carry. Bruiser items are also the most expensive items for absolutely no reason.

Ragnaveil1/17/2020, 4:21:25 PM1 votes

Its going to remain like this probably forever until riot gets a toplaner on the balance team.

2gudaiya1/19/2020, 10:14:05 AM1 votes

carrying from top lane is easy, you just have to know what you are trying to execute from the lane.

so for instance I have always always played ignite top lane since I started playing the lane, never switched to teleport it's for pussies who know they'll die and have to tp back to the lane. my plan, to dominate the lane and force the opponent to dump resources to try to stop me. I want enemy jungler in my lane so I can retrieve his buff from his corpse. I want enemy mid in my lane so I may reduce their solo lane time and lose them pressure and presence in mid. and best believe I want enemy bottom lane coming to try stop me too because then my job is truly done and I am then free to pull the enemy team across the map as I see fit.

does top lane suck? no, you just gotta know what you're doing lol. most people today don't know what they're doing hence they just pick teleport cause that's what they do at high elo or whatever, and then they legit try to switch to ignite when high elo does the same, it's pathetic but I digress. develop a play style for yourself coming out of top lane if you want the lane to work for you.

Woodakoodashooda1/17/2020, 4:44:19 PM1 votes

It's easier to carry as a top lane than as amid lane in my opinion.

Mid lane is a constant clown fiesta. You typically pick the highest burst damage champion you know how to play so as to kill enemies or intimidate them into playing super safe just because you exist. But no matter how many tens of kills you get throughout a match, the outcome is determined by your bot lane, jungle, top lane, or combination of the three taking advantage of the time enemies you kill spend dead. Because if all they ever do is back to shop after every won fight then you are totally fucked out of a win.

Soon as someone wins a turret, the match turns into ARAM and you're expected to stay for the eternal team fight because leaving for farm and objectives elsewhere means your team ends up dying in a bad engage and it's suddenly your fault according to all the Question marks that appear over your head.

Typical top lane champions can melt turrets in seconds whereas mid lane champions need the better part of a minute minimum to bring a turret down from 100 to 0. And as for Drakes and Barons. Well, fucking name me a mid lane champion that can solo those without smite.

Oh, and fuck getting mid lane at all if you queue up anything secondary other than top lane. And waiting in queue for as long as two minutes without fill protection will almost guarantee you land jungle or support while the guy who lands mid picks off meta like Tristana or some other bullshit. And you can either dodge or suffer the match, lose, and enjoy fill protection for your next two games.

Pumpedhero1/17/2020, 4:54:31 PM1 votes

Top isn't a designed carry role.. top champs that have carry potential often get gutted because top is becoming stricter and is narrowing down to tanks and duels.

BrokenRayquaza1/17/2020, 5:41:32 PM1 votes

The problem is that you can't buff toplane because nothing would be useful. The only way to make toplane viable would be to make the other lanes worse