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Why does everyone hate akali when zed exists?

KnightLakega·12/14/2019, 12:38:02 PM·5 votes·2,021 views

Literally zed can do everything, has an insanely powerful early game and can EASILY get fed regardless who he's laning against. The only way you can beat a zed in lane is if he's either trash, or you stay 9 miles away from your creeps...

Even if you beat him in lane, he can just plant his shadows and easily farm farther away than even an ranged champ could.

Since he has very forgiving energy costs, and low cd's he can keep spamming his shadow and spin, or throw and keep poking you down while denying you farm, AND taking farm all at the same time..

and no this doesn't require skill to do..

Once he procs electrocute on you twice with no skill required he can just all in you for an easy free kill...

At least akali has to get in your face, and you can outplay her shroud, her shroud has a 30 second cd on it, and when that's down, she's extremely vulnerable, and has no all in potential....

Meanwhile zeds shadow has half the cd, and it triples his damage output when he does have it up. All he needs to do is plant that shadow right on you and crap on his keyboard and over half your health is just gone in .1 seconds.. Akali's shroud allows her to do damage, but she needs time to get that damage down, and the enemy has a chance to at least back off, or outplay it.

"But zeds garbage right now" No he's not... He may not be AS op as he was, but he's still extremely OP...

I don't get how I can dumpster every akali in lane with no problem, regardless of who i'm plaing as because akali is so easy to play around, yet zeds can dumpster anyone and everyone with no skill required and everyone thinks he's just fine...

"But just dodge his skillshots!" If the zed has half a brain all he has to do is plant is shadow right ontop of you and there is no skillshots anymore. It's just a point and click....

"But he loses all his safety and damage if he does that!" so? he just proced electrocute for nearly half my hp, and can stand safely close enough to his tower that he doesn't even need to worry.. of cours he's still got flash in his pocket too, so that's not an argument... In about 10 seconds he'll be able to do it again...

I've played zed on my other account many times, and had zero problem getting utterly sh!tface fed on him, yet everyone thinks he takes skill.. meanwhile everyone trashes on Akali just because she has a superbly easy to play around invisibility for a few seconds, with a 30 second cool down on it....

Lets not forget everyone trashes AKali's mobility as well, meanwhile zed gets even more with 70% less cd...

Zed can blink to his shadow for an easy escape after crapping on his keyboard right ontop of you, procing his ult, and electrocute + ignite gg I'm out 3 screens away.....

Meanwhile Akali can only ult for her dashes, which she needs to even put that damage down in the first place... Yet zed can do ALL his damage + get 3 screens away after..

Akali can either all in, or have safety, not BOTH.. Zed gets BOTH all in max damage potential AND extreme mobility and safety...

So I ask again.. why is everyone trashing on Akali when Zed is literally 4x more mobile, has 4x more all in and damage output potential, and can play hella more safe more often?

If a zed gets ganked, he can just shadow away, which will be up again in 22 seconds..

Akali needs to use her ult, and her ult will be up in approximately 3 minutes, and a large chunk of her damage is gone for those 3 minutes....

She can use the shuriken toss but that actually has a mini delay during the activation before the actual dash comes out, and its less than half the distance of zeds shadow...

If she uses her shroud, again that's 30 seconds to zeds 22 seconds, and she loses her all in chance, AND her ability to farm at all if she's behind. Zed loses his all in chance, but Zed can keep throwing his Q out for safe long range farming. To make matters worse, if the ganker has half a brain he'll have the oracle Lens, which reveals akali in the shroud, so you can box her and stop her from getting an E off for safety, and keep running her down...

Am I seriously the only one here who's noticing these things?

Edit:

I want to point out a few things people keep argueing with that is just blatantly short sighted...

"Zeds shadow is easily telegraphed! Akali gets invisibility and she jumps around making her impossible to hit!" So on one end you're telling me not to play around zeds easily telegraphed Shadow, then trying to argue while playing into akali's shroud?

There is no difference between these skills.. The shroud is easily telegraphed.. you see it come out, walk away, just like you would with zeds shadow.. don't go near it.. her "jumping around untargettable" is no different than zed being a whole frame away untouchable..

The invisibility means nothing if you don't fight near it.. Don't fight into the strength of the opponent.. duh... that's what everyone argues with of why zed isn't OP, yet then they try to explain why akali is op playing into her strength...

dude.. can't have your cake and eat it too..

52 Comments

Daddy Ants12/14/2019, 1:01:29 PM12 votes

Because compared to Akali...

Zed is actually fair to play against.

WoodenCreature12/14/2019, 1:44:03 PM4 votes

Because at least zed is targetable and needs items to kill anything. Meanwhile akali basically has an additional skill compared to zed with the q + passive interaction.

2Charmnot2Charm12/14/2019, 1:03:20 PM4 votes

The fact that zed has to be on 3 items just to win a 1v1 with a tank support that is 3 levels down is hilarious https://m.twitch.tv/clip/ImpossibleHonorableCurryShadyLulu

Tin Obliterates12/14/2019, 2:19:15 PM3 votes

You can actually punish a Zed when he's being a complete idiot and misuses his only mobility (his shadows) as it leaves him completely vulnerable.

Meanwhile Akali has her shroud, small E flip that goes over walls for some reason, she can also E her shroud to dash to it if she needs to back off and she has her two R dashes and takes flash like almost everyone else. She can almost always get away with fucking up because she always has some way to back off or disengage.

Dead Anime Dad12/14/2019, 1:31:22 PM3 votes

Akali has a "you can't touch me unless I say so or you have aoe damage" button that forces you to play on her terms no matter the situation.

Illabethe12/16/2019, 4:38:19 PM2 votes

Personally..... I don't feel either Zed or Akali are OP. They're good kill stackers, but they do have inherent weakness:

Zed: Fairly choreographed fight if you track his shadows. And ofc you can just build early Armor and shunt him for the rest of the game.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yGc2wTHj-the-new-soraka-skins-are-causing-a-renaissance-in-me

^ For example.

Akali's weakness is by and large her skill set is designed for SINGLE assassination, whereas Zed has better aoe application. Yes..... she does have some aoe in her kunais, and her R, but it's effectively enough to disrupt a team and only kill one. Once you realize that, the whole game just becomes about not being caught alone.

A moderate amount of HP and some resist also help with her, as well as healing skills. She's also heavily prone to skill shot comps.

I know people complain about Akali because of the "speed" of what occurs. It's not about the skillset itself. It's about the .2 second execute if she does everything right. Zed at least gives you a window of some 3-4 seconds, when not fed (he can execute in .2 seconds too if he's 6/0). People perceive this as a lack of counterplay.

In reality what it is, is generally the victim not respecting what Akali can do with her E and not dodging it, or saving skills for a contingency plan. (Sometimes I actually WANT to take her E, because I'm not going to catch her otherwise..... and she's going to come right to me when she tries to kill me, at which point I Ignite/CC/Pre-empt Flash her for a takedown).

Which is ironic...... since players have been around LeeSin so long that they should KNOW that some champions have a massively budgeted marking system, and to try to avoid them if you don't have a contingency.

If Akali kills you once, you generally should be mature enough a player not to let it happen again..... and again..... and again.... You'll know by that first kill whether or not the Akali player is proficient or just cheesing: Was it .2 seconds or was it 1.8 seconds with gaps in key pressing? If it was .2 seconds, start avoiding her every ~ 45 seconds. If it was 1.8 seconds, you flubbed up and they are a bad Akali. Use their overconfidence against them the next time and HIT YOUR STUFF. Or better yet..... BRING A PARTNER.

For what it's worth; I don't actively play either. So this is actually a victim perspective, not a white knighting one. I do specialize in taking them out of play.

Jaspers12/14/2019, 1:08:24 PM2 votes

Zed has no movement speed, stealth, 3 dashes or point and click damage. He has a shadow which you can plainly see. His ult damage is delayed so you can shield/heal/zhonyas it and when he ults he arrives behind you so you can stun him. He's telegraphed and predictable, within reason (as you know where his shadow is, he will go there, it's a matter of him timing it well).

Akali isn't as easily telegraphed. She goes in, she shrouds, you can't retaliate. You try and land a stun, she's jumping around with her movement and dashes

Zed may do a stupid amount of damage but at least you know how to handle it.

PhearBunny12/14/2019, 1:49:08 PM2 votes

Zed has counter play. Akali doesnt.

I think thats the general gist of it.

Revech12/14/2019, 12:49:47 PM2 votes

I haven't read through the whole post but i'm going to insert my piece here:

akali reached a 50% winrate with +10% pickrate

Let that sink in for a few moments.

Malix Farwin12/16/2019, 3:56:38 PM1 votes

Zed is kinda like Yi and Fizz and where they are pub stompers meaning its easy for him to snowball early. However if you teammates are decent he cannot snowball.

If Zed doesn't win his lane and goes even he lost it by default. alternatively even if ahead you can play around him and if the game goes on too long he loses as well.

He's most effective in games/elos where he can roam and pick up free kills but in elos where people have map awareness than not so much. Any game i see a fed Zed in prolly any assassin would be just as fed if not more.

Waka FIocka12/14/2019, 7:18:32 PM1 votes

Akali is too mobile, too safe, and too oppressive. Her poke/harass cooldowns are very short. She builds gunblade for even more sustain while being invisible and slippery as hell Her energy regens quickly, she has a slow on her Q and 4 dashes + flash. Her shroud gives her 80 energy, invis, and +ms with only a 20s cooldown.

and yes she is constantly in the spotlight for skins and events. if you think she isn't busted you are severely underestimating Riot as a business. They want to sell the things they make and will leave a champion in an unhealthy state to achieve sales.