Can we stop letting CertianlyT make champions?

Hyped Riven·10/14/2018, 5:43:19 AM·142 votes·22,423 views

Look his champs are really cool, concept-wise they are fun but dude holy shit every single are so unfun to play againist.

Akali True Invisibility: cool concept but utterly broken and unfun to play against ( Edit: Yes i know you can see her outline under turret and if she attack she gets revealed but being able to plob it down and suddleny lose tower agro can be frustrating)

Zoe Q Nuke and Low CDR Ult: I really like Zoe i played her a lot but then i realized, how is this fun for my laner like its complete cancer? (Edits: While zoe does have counterplay, i do think a Q CDR as low as around 4 or 6 secs that can deal at most 1400 late game while her extreme range can be annoying but obvi there is the fact that she has to land it)

Kalista Hopping Mechanic: One of my most played champs across my 3 accounts, she is so fucking fun but man even when shes is nerfed to the ground, a good kalista player can make her literally dumb

Theres alot of things i like about CertainlyT but i think the champs he designs are cool as fuck but not really fun to lane againist or deal with

Edit: I want to say, im not really tryna say "fuck CertainlyT", like i said i love his idea for champs, like its makes league enjoyable because there's so many thing you can do but thats the ironic thing. What makes them so fun is what also makes them frustrating to play againist

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Resolution10/14/2018, 6:02:16 AM81 votes

Personally, I think they should add the CertainlyT-1. Where every time he releases a champion the ban pool increases by 1.

I don't have enough bans for Yasuo Zed Zoe + whatevers broken atm.

Even if their not relevant - always anti fun to play against.

haaaaaaalp10/14/2018, 6:08:16 AM52 votes

Been discussed to death but he really needs to be given a much shorter leash on what he is allowed to do. His concepts in isolation are interesting, he just doesn't understand how to incorporate them together into a kit that is healthy for a moba. I'm pretty sure the only people still defending his designs are those who care more about being a contrarian than what is good for the game.

SwiftKitten8810/14/2018, 2:16:45 PM25 votes

the issue with certainlyT isnt that he has bad designs... he designs are great.. its that his designs arn't fit for multiplayer games.

i mean could u imagine a PVE "god of war" type game or even a multiclass diablo 3 type game designed by certainlyT?

it would be fucking amazing.

the issue is that like the OP said... he designs don't have the counterplay that other humans need to enjoy facing them. but they ARE incredibly fun to play.

the issue is with League being PVP he really cant put his talents to use without making disgustingly broken shit. and even when his stuff is toned down its still an issue... i do feel however he would do great making modes like odyssey and star guardian invasion any any other PVP thing where they can let him go all out with OP shit.

its just the rift is not a good place for him

he is not a bad designer at all... he just is a good designer of PvM games stuck in a PvP game

hhaavviikk10/14/2018, 6:50:01 AM25 votes

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Look his champs are really cool but dude holy shit every single one are so unfun to play against.

that about sums up every every champ designed by him, it's obvious he designs only from the perspective of the person who's playing the champion and not also the perspective of the person playing AGAINST the champion

Spooky Skeleton10/14/2018, 11:28:11 AM19 votes

Have him come up with the concept, and have someone else actually design and balance the champ. And dont let him anywhere near the Mordekaiser rework, i havent forgotten what you've done to my baby.

DuskDaUmbreon10/14/2018, 6:39:40 AM14 votes

Oh, sure. Let's complain about the guy who releases champions with actual counterplay instead of the guy who made Fiddlesticks, Chogath,Sona, Tryndamere, and a few other bullshit champions.

Zoe one-shots you with EQ? Boo fucking hoo, Cho'gath one-shots you with ER, neither of which can be missed. And let's not forget how Sona used to be able to take someone to half health at level 1 until they finally gutted her. Besides, Zoe is hardly the only champion with a low CD ult. It's incredibly common on more simple ults like that.

Yasuo's Windwall can negate entire kits? Fiddle's Q and E negate far more, can't just be walked around, and are on a much lower cooldown.

Akali can't be targeted in her W, not even under turret? Tryndamere can't be killed by pressing R, and you can't prevent him from pressing R except by literally one-shotting him before he can react.

Glaricion10/14/2018, 1:29:42 PM9 votes

CertainlyT may be working on League only because they don't have a solid Diablo-clone concept yet or something.

His designs are cancerous for PVP play, but would be excellent in a PVE environment (as is commonly stated).

A Moon Man10/14/2018, 12:42:24 PM8 votes

When Riot makes a game with single player and/or co-op then he can be the lead designer of that.

PopcornBunni10/14/2018, 9:59:26 AM7 votes

Don't forget Warwick 's cc-immune latch mechanic and massive invisible power at low health. There have been several months where he was pick/ban since his rework, even at higher levels of play.

Hügö10/14/2018, 8:42:54 AM5 votes

Like it got pointed out his champs are extremly fun in pve modes as you could see in Odysee, but in pvp you have fun at the cost of the fun of your opponent.

Kieferr10/15/2018, 5:02:33 AM5 votes

Certainly T makes popular champions. Popular champions = skins Skins = money

Downvote me all you want this is the truth. A boards post won't change shit.

saltran10/14/2018, 8:34:14 AM5 votes

What makes Kalista unbalanced isn't her aa jumps, it's the E dmg vs nashor/drakes and the second life to your supp.

F Ù Ń10/15/2018, 2:13:05 AM4 votes

Tbh, downvote me if you want. If I were a rioter in the design team, I would create champs like CertianlyT. CertainlyT took time to design champions other rioters would’ve never made. Without T, I would not be able to play one of my favorite characters. His concepts are actually really cool. Some of his champs are broken (most of his older champs, like Darius, Yas) but most of his new champs have all new mechanics. Think of it. We now have a trickster champ in League of Legends Zoe . One that can bend the rules, literally what the Inspiration tree wants to be. Then we have an awesome dark support, that chains his victims to a lanternThresh. (Insert Moth Memes) Then we have a Ninja that fully feels, and looks like a Ninja. We have a Ninja similar to Naruto or something.Akali. We never would’ve had a character that fights for those spirits who were betrayed.Kalista. Darius and YaSuO are pretty cool, but aren’t really as original as his newer champs. Same goes with Graves, Cait, Mordekaiser, WW, etc.

I praise CertianlyT for the champs he makes, and I want him to make more champs. I don’t care if the champs are cancer. I want something original, something unique. I don’t want a character like the ADC group where EVERY SINGLE ADC FEELS LIKE THE EXACT SAME CHAMP, save for Draven. We should admire rioters like CertianlyT, that have a great concept idea. Just remember this, CertainlyT is part of the design team. Not so much the balance team. You can take totally broken Thresh, and put him a balanced position. You can take Zoe, and with enough tweaks, make her a fair champ. You can really do anything with champions these days.

For now on, look positively at champions. Instead of flaming a broke champ, appreciate the uniqueness and the work that went into the champ. Imagine how you would feel if a totally cool concept you made, people crumbled it, and yelled “F###ing delete this concept, no one likes it, and you are the worst person ever, you should be fired right now”. As you can see, It’s really not nice to think or say!

Lestat S4610/14/2018, 5:59:04 PM4 votes

People forget that when Thresh came out he could be played strongly in every lane in every style and still dominate. AD, AP, Tank, Support. Didnt matter how he was built or which position he was strong as all hell. Thresh himself is finally in a great spot and has been for a long while but Yasuo and Zoe are still universally hated by everyone but their own mains and other champs hes involved in are hated disproportionately more than other designers. He NEEDS someone leaning over his shoulder during the process to say "True stealth that makes tower dives free? and its not even an ultimate? Dude, NO!" "A champ whose whole design is to one shot with 1 ability? You realize we reworked Nidalee specifically because that style of play was cancer and not fun for the other player right?"

Kelg10/14/2018, 2:39:21 PM3 votes

He ruined Morde because he decided Morde's identity was "No mobility, no CC" for some reason. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Nabil1777810/14/2018, 6:07:36 AM3 votes

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FilDaFunk10/14/2018, 9:46:20 AM3 votes

I'm not sure how true stealth is a cool concept, i's literally been created to remove some of its counterplay. Zoe seems to have been designed around her q, rather than around her ult and w - the more fun mechanics.

AggressiveWolf10/14/2018, 3:02:57 PM3 votes

Honestly they are just over loaded. For example, why is it if Zoe's bubble misses it becomes a trap? Why does Akali's Q heal her?

TricolorStar10/15/2018, 1:40:29 AM3 votes

I hate to be devil's advocate (and I know y'all will call my biased because I main Zoe, although for the record I don't like his other champs like Darius, Thresh, etc), but...

You all act like he's personally offended you somehow, when really it's Riot's quality assurance department that has failed. And you all also forget how many other champs have been problems on release (Illaoi come to mind). CertaintlyT is just a guy. He's not the devil, he's not a bad designer. if you really want, you can cherry pick any group of bad champs you want.

Like look at Ornn and Ivern, both developed Squad5. His champs are incredibly underwhelming, have high effort/low payoff, and are generally considered forgettable. But nobody complains about them.

What I'm saying is y'all need to look at this objectively and stop being so damn blind. It's not CertainlyT's fault, it is a variety of issues and complex situations. Thresh had to be buffed many times, Zyra has had to be reworked numerous times as well. And don't even say 'if a champion has to be reworked, they were poorly designed', because when you have a game that changes like League, your design philosophy changes as well.

Y'all will pick on a guy just because you don't like his champs. It's pathetic.

AMADEUSdotEXE10/15/2018, 2:54:36 AM3 votes

No. Why?

Akali Fun to play and unique Zoe Fun to play and unique playstyle (walls become more important) Kalista Design wise easily one of the most thematically interesting and has a distinct and fun playstlye.

Are they fun to fight? No. Should Riot be dumpster nerfing them fucking them in the ass and then leaving them without child support money? No.

Everyone has champions they loathe fighting. My own are Veigar Nasus because i don't like fighting a ticking time bomb filled with highly concentrated kick-your-ass and Tryndamere because fuck crit at level 1

Kárma10/15/2018, 12:25:17 AM2 votes

this is so true. his champions are nicely designed, playing his champions are fun but playing against them isnt. its either you play them too or you get rekt by them.

Bastilean10/15/2018, 5:02:43 AM2 votes

I don't know. I mean at least akali isn't Slark. Slark is cancer. Love him, but always ban him if I am not him. Kalista should have a maximum of stacks of 5 or so. I mean, no one is proposing twitch have higher max stacks or Tristana. Definitely feels bad when she can out damage smite with a basic ability.

Also, Zoe doesn't bother me, but I don't play mid. I mean mid has Leblanc... who is complaining about Zoe anymore?

The Trent10/15/2018, 1:22:05 AM2 votes

Am I the only person who sees Zoe as free kills with proper vision? Like I ENJOY playing up against her because abusing her lack of mobility is so easy. I like a lot of the champions that guy makes, and so does the majority of the League community. All of the champs he's made have a huge following (minus kalista cus they just nerfed her too hard and everyone lost interest, but before that this applies). Yasuo is annoying, but he's really not that good of a champion, so I don't really care, same with Akali. I think it's less of you don't like the creator and more like you don't like bursty type champions. I would've loved to see you on the boards when Annie was actually played by more than one person (AnnieBot) or when Veigar's stun was point and click. He's not getting removed, he's created some of the game's most loved/hated champions. He brings emotion to this game. More than the people who created: Heim, Kog'Maw, Teemo, Master Yi, Gragas, etc can say. These champions are literally only played while in the meta because even if they're below average, no one wants to main them except an exceptional few. You nerf Yasuo, Yasuo mains keep playing Yasuo. You nerf Zoe, as you can see they still playin Zoe. You nerf Kog'Maw??? K bye Kog Maw, I don't enjoy playing weird dogs anyways. You're probably like ok but what about Kalista? Well that's kinda different because that was less of a nerf and more of a don't play this champion until we can think of a way to fix her. Like what they did to Evelyn a while back. And Kindred.

ADCsRCrybabies10/15/2018, 2:31:19 AM2 votes

Circlejerk thread, but yeah, I want this abomination out of the game. Darius

At least you get a ban every game.

Kadexe10/15/2018, 5:28:24 PM2 votes

Riot will never let him go, he's made so many of the most popular champions in the game. Yasuo, Darius, Thresh - they'd actually have to be crazy to stop his work.

Khâmul10/14/2018, 8:34:16 AM2 votes

or lt him design all champs.if everyone is broken,no one is

Lunar Strain10/14/2018, 9:05:11 PM2 votes

Yay circlejerk

Charm With parm10/14/2018, 3:03:15 PM1 votes

Not sure why you put Kalista on the list. She's weak currently, and even when she's good i'd still say she's pretty balanced since she has many counter picks. Riot's "balance" team just nerfed her number's because she was so good in high elo like 20 years ago and they havent touched her since. All in all, i think kalista is a good champion who has amazing potential and the only thing holding her back from reaching that is the balance team that really likes balancing around the 3% of their fanbase that are in high elo. I woulda just used yasuo instead since everyone's always hated him and still do.