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My thoughts on playing ADC atm.

hi ìm groot·6/23/2018, 3:43:41 PM·16 votes·6,833 views

Started playing adc again on one of my accounts again despite it being an odd time to go back to maining that role, and this is what I think about the role in 8.11. If you find a way to get ahead in the early game, it feels just like it did before. You can get the items you need to deal dmg and it feels like you're in a good position to carry, even if someone on the enemy team did just as well. However if you fell behind in lane, it feels like you as ADC become largely irrelevant to the game short of getting a large gold spike from maybe a lucky cleanup. Any kind of play for late game strat feels impracticle. If both ADC's go even, games will usually be decided by a different lane because then BOTH adc's are largely irrelevant. Have had very few games go long enough for ADC's to get the kind of items necessary to hyper carry without being fed. Makes the role kind of awkward, especially since whether or not you get ahead has very little to do with you. You're typically the weakest person on that side of the map early, even with jg nerfs jg is usually stronger.

This is kinda shitty because adc's were never actually that strong this season, enchanter supports were and they made adc's look strong. But they nerfed the enchanter supports around the same time as crit... all to force pyke to be a non-troll pick in the role they'd intended him for.

Most of the changes that would be needed to make bot lane feel like it did before though would be general lowering damage across the board. Make it so someone needs to be fed to one shot an adc again, assassin or not. Otherwise eventually marksman will become the troll picks and everyones just going to go bruisers, because how useful is a glass cannon that CAN do damage, if he's guaranteed to be dead at the start of a teamfight? Also if games were to go longer again it would give adc's the opportunity to farm up to scale like they use to be able to do. Now, depending on the rest of your team comp, if you try to hug a side lane until you've caught up in gold from lane phase, the enemy team as 5 will probably get enough objectives in that time to secure themselves the win.

40 Comments

blindasleep6/23/2018, 4:48:40 PM9 votes

It's kind of entertaining to see ADC mains complain about what was almost everyone else's regular game state for so long.

saltran6/23/2018, 7:45:32 PM5 votes

What I've felt more is that the weak adcs were never this weak: There will be always a 3-4 top tier adcs but pre 8.11 the only one that was terrible was Kalista for pro play issues and now she's not even the worst considering that Tristana and Cait exist, or Varus on soloQ is also terrible.

The gab between the good adc picks and the bad adc picks have never been this huge.

Ahris6/23/2018, 6:59:34 PM5 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8t776a/dopas_thoughts_on_current_meta/

DOPA'S thought for current meta:

"The reason why current patch feels so sloppy is because ADC's are not popping out all the time and we are seeing double brusier compositions. But honestly, i think playing ADC is better than double bruiser compositions. Lucian and Kaisa especially are better than double bruiser compositions. If you are going for double bruiser compositions bottom, play something like Ryze or Vlad. Yasuo bottom is just bad. The problem is that when your team loses to double bruiser composition bottom, then your team thinks they lost because their bottom played ADC + support. But the current double brusier composition works because ADCs were overpowered before and now they are weaker, but that doesnt mean double bruiser is better.

Now everybody is talking about meta this, meta that but unless you are top 20 in Korean solo queue, meta doesnt mean anything. You can win regardless of meta if you play well. They blame the meta if they lose but honestly its because you played bad, not because of meta. If i ask you what the meta is, most of you probably have no idea what the meta even is. If you are going to complain about the meta, open your notepad and write down "what has changed this patch? what has become good as a result of this patch? What picks are good? Why is it so good? Is it good regardless of composition? Can you first pick it?" Think about these things and analyze it before you complain about the meta because the meta really has not changed that much.

I admit Irelia at the current state is OP, but shes going to get nerfed next patch and master yi + taric/ nunu karthus has been nerfed, and ADCs are getting small buffs. Regardless of this patch, double bruiser bottom is a fad. It's only going to become popular for 1-2 months before everything reverts back to ADC + Support. We are seeing double bruisers not because bruisers have been buffed but because ADCs have been nerfed. Double bruiser bottom is only temporary.

The bigger problem is not ADC nerfs but the Master Yi + Taric / Karthus + Nunu. This isnt because those champions suddenly got buffs but it was discovered this patch that the combination was good. It could have happened on previous patches but it was discovered right around the time when ADCs got nerfs so this patch feels sloppy.

Anyways, i like this patch because ADCs were too overpowered. Before, if your bottom won, you won the game. The game is more balanced now. Now if your top wins lane, your top has a chance to carry the game. Now its important to get your top fed, previously it didnt matter if your top won lane or lost lane. Now getting your top and jungle ahead is more important than getting your bottom fed. Even in Solo queue i win more games when top and jungle are ahead compared to when our bottom is winning. Previously it was like playing a lottery every game, whenever you hear double kill in bottom, the game was decided at that moment. Then all top, mid, jungle has to do was to camp the winning bottom lane and then you win the game. Even in losing bottom lane, top , mid, and jungle tries to cover for the losing bottom lane but end up losing regardless. The game was heavily centered around bot but now everyone has equal footing.

Anyways, i dont like to talk about the meta so much but looking at chat is so fustrating because everytime the chat is filled with meta this meta that. Meta doesnt matter, its just solo queue, play whatever you are good at and you will win."

FlameHalbrdOkido6/24/2018, 12:08:09 AM3 votes

Firstly can we not make ADC and Marksmen synonmous? They don't mean the same thing as other champions can be an ADC

"However if you fell behind in lane, it feels like you as ADC become largely irrelevant to the game short of getting a large gold spike from maybe a lucky cleanup."

but thats kind of the point since they are made with the overarching theme of needing items to get stronger and coming online later in the game with enough investment

" few games go long enough for ADC's to get the kind of items necessary to hyper carry without being fed"

again if games end shorter then thats just how it would work for Marksmen since their strength is tied to items, which are tied to time taken to build them

"Also if games were to go longer again it would give adc's the opportunity to farm up to scale like they use to be able to do"

This is a good point

HàrrowR6/23/2018, 7:34:41 PM3 votes

Honestly i always say that id give up on 25% of adc damage for 25% more surviveability,lower damage gained but increase armor and mr,the problem isnt adcs not dealing enough damage its them dying too easily,if you dont build tabi,ga,maw,which you should,youre liable to get dived and deleted in a second,and then all your damage potential goes up in smoke. Id rather kill someone in 8 shots not 6,but be able to survive longer to do it

FurtherScape6/23/2018, 4:03:16 PM2 votes

Sorry if I missed any your post, that was a lot to say.

What returning players are finding out is THIS

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/jackbox1234/media/Infinedge.png.html

As of 8.11 you mentioned in your post ADC has vanished, now extinct ….

Damage got Unversial Nerf of 4 or more base damage and if my picture went through , the changes to IE made it worse.

Rabid Husky6/23/2018, 10:58:22 PM2 votes

in all honesty I think one of the bigger problems for the role is the lack of item diversity for adcs, we got one new item (two technically including ie)and everything else got price increases, when your best items are all expensive as shit, yeah non crit focused carries like ez,lucian, kaisa, will rise up since they don't need fifty thousand gold for one item, and its even better for people like draven and mf who just build stormrazors and then go full lethality or raw damage stats. there isn't any alternate build paths for adcs, its build the expensive as hell crit items or build raw ad or lethality that are much cheaper, they don't have any other items to help keep you in the game if the enemy keeps you down YOU ARE DOWN pass no go donzo farm and pray they don't send anyone after you, atleast if a tank goes 0-5 they can still be a tank, a mage or assassin goes 0-5 they can build into items, a adc goes 0-5 just afk

LordGeovanni6/24/2018, 1:15:08 AM2 votes

Your first 2 sentences. Welcome too top lane. except clean ups dont get you back into the game it just lets you not feed if you decide to go meta which feels like shit you just survive a good amount of time but you do negative damage outside of trinity force.

Elkington VI6/24/2018, 1:45:55 AM2 votes

You'd think SR players would be complaining less since ranged carries aren't mandatory in every team comp like usual.

Malak6/24/2018, 2:21:07 AM2 votes

That’s league. If you don’t get a lead then you’re not relevant. Welcome to every other role. Yea if you lose lane with a lane bully you probably won’t carry. If you both go even, your fed midlander will carry

NowThatWereDead6/24/2018, 5:20:25 AM2 votes

I have been playing lots of adc lately again also as draven and he seems to be working well with me but just a reminder im only silver 3 so that might be why

Saibbo6/23/2018, 6:37:05 PM1 votes

Started playing adc again on one of my accounts ... it feels just like it did before. You can get the items you need to deal dmg and it feels like you're in a good position to carry

yeah i could say the same by playing against someone that's around 10 division under my league...

Biomedical6/23/2018, 8:17:23 PM1 votes

I can't help but be frustrated. Champions like Ashe and Tristana didn't need a new nerf. Tristana was already in a poor state, and Ashe was balanced. When other lanes profess they wanted half of the marksman to be nerfed and that we should just "adapt", I feel like my time collecting 200k, 300k mastery on them (between accounts) is being invalidated. I feel bullied by people who are playing Strong champions like IRELIA, Camille, Swain, and Mundo that already find a lot of success.

ISLAMICWARRIOR996/23/2018, 8:39:25 PM1 votes

Honestly unless youre a 1 trick theres no reason to play adc. Its so fucking useless compared to every other role.

Spârky6/23/2018, 10:12:04 PM1 votes

Idk to me it seems like riot made it so that the adc's have really high high's and super low low's. The issue with that on a class that is the only gold and exp dependent class is that it makes the non op adc's have insanely low low's compared to the meta adc's. I find the 3 meta marksmen ezreal/kaisa/lucian all have two things in common. That their mid game is exceptional, and they don't build crit. 3 items on these guys and it's nuts. But what makes it work is that they can hit 3 items before the crit adc's cause their laning is so dominant/safe (ezreal).

Personally what I'd like riot to do as an adc main is either raise the cost of botrk again. Also look at the anti synergy of double zeal items with ie. You get 120% crit and that's 20% crit you don't get to use and since 1% crit = 60g that's 1200 gold not being used. It might not be a big deal but if riot wants to buff crit adc's without pushing it overboard that might be a good place to start.

Wild Geese6/24/2018, 2:41:21 AM1 votes

They want to buff Crit but...

Meanwhile Varus , Kalista, KogMaw are sitting back still suffering even with cheaper core items and not being Crit.

And Corki still can't join botlane, even in this fiesta.

LaserDeathBlade6/23/2018, 11:37:34 PM1 votes

Everyone does way too much damage, what's the point of playing ADC when assassins already 100-0 tanks with a serrated dirk