It's YOUR fault you died
Not the fact you didnt get a counter gank
Not the fact your jg didn't level 2 gank you
It's your fault
Because when I'm halfway across the map or finishing up a camp or know I can't turn this fight I ping you to warn you. And I'm going to say about 45% of the time it is flat out ignored. Stop blaming your jungler for something you didn't do.
Had a Gnar get constantly ganked even though he had vision(red ward) in the river for literally the entire match and then had the gall to call out the jungler for not ganking after hard feeding half the enemy team.
Jungle has nothing to do with map awareness and paying attention to pings. If anyone sees the enemy jungle or someone not where you would generally expect them to be they should ping his location. If your lane roams ping it. If the jungler is in a fight ping it. You and Others should pay attention and react accordingly.
not when my jungler is the same distance from the lane as enemy jungler.
45% of the time? Give me a break. More like 80% of the time.
in a sense you are right. but being a jungler you should be aware of the enemy jungler common path and set your clear/path to match so you are there for the counter ganks.
like lets say you are blue side and the enemy jungler is lee. well he is going to start RED and then shuttle then gank top at lvl 2 /3
instead of starting at your red on the opposite side , start blue and then contest the shuttle then if needed be ready for a counter gank. if he dont take shuttle or gank then you know he is likely near mid/bot side which can let you counter jungle his jungle or be the one to gank for your laner to take advantage of his pathing.
This goes for anyone.
Then again people need to stop moving back to their tower the second they see an enemy on their lane. Play a bit more passive but stop showing your enemy that you know they are there. Waste their time. And if it's your enemy laner/jungler trying to gank another lane do something somewhere else while his time gets wasted!
Problem is often when someone pings near me i have absolutly no clue what the ping is for. Sometimes it's a failed 'on my way' ping, sometimes they want me to be carefull of god knows what when literally all enemies are on vision, sometimes they think i missplayed and try to flame me with pings, sometimes they want me to engage.
Also sometimes you know they mean an enemy is near but you don't know WHAT enemy. So if it's the jungler that's not a problem and you can escape, but if it's the mid laner then you have a problem. And then you think they mean the jungler and it turns out to be the mid laner and you die.
Now realistically that's all still my fault and i should've just played safer, but it's annoying as fuck nevertheless.
If the laner recalls and sees the enemy laner roamet, if you dont back, its YOUR fault! Dont blame the anivia with no mana for not being able to follow talon.
I'm perfectly fine seeing a jungler not assist in that, but that's only if a jungler is prioritizing right. If I have a yi that's just powerfarming and we know he's going for completed item powerspike, yeah cool let's hold out. If I have a jungler that's going to counterjungle or gank a different lane that's in a good position, excellent. And if i was going for a risky play and happened to get fucked, i'll prolly be mad but more at my misplay than not getting help.
If you see your toplaner has tp but there's has ignite, 100% should be your first priority to either get them to blow ignite on a feint all-in, or just straight up get them killed so your laner can back and tp while you get a plating
The problem arises when you have a gank jungler (see shaco/j4/lee and crew) who is farming wolves despite seeing a jungler sitting in that bush for 30 seconds, and makes no attempts to get something out of it. Go for a countergank, go for a different gank, steal enemy jungle camps, try to catch him out when he leaves, roam to take plating with a laner that already shoved out, hell even communicate that you'll swing by when there's a better option than forcing a probably losing 2v2 at this point. There isn't a ping for every situation, but if I see something happening I'll usually drop a danger ping, as well as an on the way ping to where I'm going to give a quick little info on why i'm not there.
But if i'm getting the 4th gank from a lee sin at top and it's minute 6, and I haven't seen your ass anywhere near top and I don't see a lane equally snowballed or an objective secured, it's gonna get pretty salty. And I'm aware of games where every lane loses, but that's what the champ select is for. If you know you're gonna need help against your laner, say something and make the jungler aware to make an early gank priority. Likewise, don't shove like an asshole expecting your jungler to dive for you at level 3.
There's a lot of give and take with jungling, but as someone who jungles a whole hell of a lot, toplane generally should be a priority for a first gank, just because if you can get your toplaner a fb+plating or deny 1-2 waves xp from the enemy, most toplaners at this point can 1v2 effectively even out of position, allowing you more time to work on bot or mid, preferably bot for drag priority on top of midlane being the easiest to gank with 4-6 different approaches depending on personal preference
