Are Premades really a problem?

UberAffe·9/19/2016, 5:39:52 PM·37 votes·3,108 views

I've played just over 200 ranked games this season mostly as solo or duo queue and there wasn't a single game that I was flamed or trolled by a premade. Not once. Sure I have lost to teams that were so coordinated that they probably were premade, but I've been carried by just as many. I've also played games where the entire enemy team was trash except for one person who carried the team and I have done the same on my team.

All this was while climbing from B1- S1 and the person I duo with went from B4-S2

87 Comments

Very Hard Engage9/19/2016, 5:42:41 PM29 votes

they undermine ranked integrity.

they destroy team communication.

they upset team balance + fairness monumentally.

they are an all around negative addition into ranked, premades belong in normals, enough said.

its not about your specific experiences, or trolling/flaming being an issue, the problem here is its just no longer fair, when ranked is supposed to be moreso than all others. im glad you managed to climb, but ranks this season mean nothing and anyone could literally be anything.

Athenes Lulu9/19/2016, 5:55:59 PM15 votes

If anything being THE premade gets just as much flame from solo players as getting flame from premades as solo players.

People just want something to blame to hide their own shortcomings, this isn't anything new unfortunately.

DynamicQ or not, there's still the same amount of feeders, trolls, whiny players, and boosted people as compared to before.

ThePartyLeader9/19/2016, 6:21:25 PM11 votes

If they didn't complain about DQ it would be something else. Overall the amount of ranked complaints is about the same other seasons. Could have been implemented better but all last season people were asking for a way not to have dumb teammates. Riot gave it to them. They still didn't get challenger. So complaining continued.

EndlessSorcerer9/19/2016, 8:06:35 PM8 votes

My main issue with premades is the resulting disparity in skill between players in a game.

Below Diamond, players within 10 divisions of one another (i.e. Silver V and Gold I) can be within a premade together.

As such, lane match-ups are often uneven (Silver V may be stomped by a Gold V, a Gold V may be stomped by a Gold I) which leads to matches snowballing heavily for one team or the other.

In previous seasons, most players within a game would be within about 3 divisions of one another (with the exception of duos and players with MMR far higher/lower than normal for their ranking).

JackMcSnipeyz9/19/2016, 5:43:04 PM6 votes

No they're not, people just blame anything but themselves, before DQ people bitched about how there is no individualism because they cant carry a noob team mate, now it's because for some reason every team that beats them is a premade. And honestly? At least most premades dont talk much, unlike people who play solo and need to vent their anger in ALL chat.

Maximum Morde9/19/2016, 7:05:43 PM6 votes

It is a huge problem. 4 man premades are at least. 3/2 man to a lesser extent, but still.

When I see 4 man premade on my or enemy team, as the solo player I'm immediately put on notice that nothing I do in this match will matter at all. Either my premade will be better and we win, or the enemy premade will be better and we will lose. I will be constantly pressured by group ganks with no chance of organizing the same with my team because I'm solo. It's just going to be a boring match where the only control I have is whether I feel like feeding or not. That isn't a healthy environment for the solo player.

Generally I just play balls out domination or feed in those matches because it doesn't matter what I do anyway so it's not worth playing safe. Might as well try to do lolzy LCS Big Plays 1v4/1v5 attempts to capture potential play footage for a video.

Urf Mode Is Life9/19/2016, 9:18:29 PM5 votes

fuck premades, thats all i gotta say about that

Meep Man9/19/2016, 6:58:21 PM5 votes

Same, I haven't had a single bad experience with a premade, except for one duo that only really agreed with each other, but that wasn't huge and was possible in Seasons past.

Dominick Destine9/19/2016, 6:59:44 PM5 votes

It was a brutal, unfair experience climbing to Diamond.

Constantly being against enemy premades or being part of idiot premades on my team made the climb infinitely harder than last seasons... now that I'm Diamond and the max premade queue size is 2 people, the matches are far more even and enjoyable. Actually experiencing the difference makes me wonder more than ever why this isn't extended to all brackets instead of being reserved for Diamond Pride which I am tempted to start calling "Elo Heaven".

NightmareAmazoX9/19/2016, 8:04:39 PM4 votes

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I've played just over 200 ranked games this season mostly as solo or duo queue and there wasn't a single game that I was flamed or trolled by a premade. Not once.

No no no no no, Stop right there. That's a lie.

The Deckowner9/19/2016, 6:35:36 PM4 votes

you duo? boosted animal kappa

Pyromancer9/19/2016, 8:26:16 PM4 votes

I've always hated premades. The constant "ADC+Support Premade" comments and arguing coming from them. Not all premades are bad, but the majority I have encountered seem extremely toxic and against team work unless they're working with each other.

Jasiwel9/20/2016, 12:21:09 AM4 votes

I definitely don't think the problems with premades is universal. There is far more of a likelihood you will have a duo or full solo team than a 3-4 man premade, and most of the time the experience in of itself is 100% RNG as you have no idea what the disposition of your teammates or enemies is when in-game. Sometimes your teammates are golden and make games 100x easier or less painful. Sometimes your enemies tilt themselves and feed. Sometimes you feed on accident and your teammates are trolls. Effectively, that algorithm of SoloQ never changed. As someone who has played a LOT of Normals, against Plats/Diamonds where premades are almost guaranteed every other match, I did not think they were a major issue throughout the season because I was extremely used to them as a Middle Laner and Support.

Well, not until I became primarily a Jungler. First and foremost, Jungling for premades is one of the worst multiplayer experiences I have ever had. I love this game dearly and I think there is no barrier it can't cross, but being the only solo player queue'd into a 3-4 player premade for a Ranked game feels super horrible. Playing against a jungler that has access to voice comms and familiarity with his teammates is often horribly one sided. Meta picks, or pocket picks, it makes no difference - you are already at a tremendous disadvantage purely for picking a role that premades will do better even if they start out poorly.

Furthermore, I have found premades (duos, trios, 4-man groups) to be some of the most immovable and least respectful entities in the game. They want to do a questionable Dragon or Baron? Welp, if you don't go in then they report you afterwards and lose you the game. If you ping "BACK" then they just ignore you. Few things tilt me worse than when I'm performing well as a Jungler in a premade, then the ADC starts making shot calls without having any understanding of why I am not making those calls. You can't argue logic because they claim theirs is superior. Your pings are ignored. If they die or you perform poorly, they flame you until you have to begrudgingly /muteall.

And I know not every has this experience. It's 100% RNG, just like some people have regular Ranked games where no one starts Intentionally Feeding just because their team gave First Blood. I know some people don't have random Anivia supports that steal CS intentionally and don't buy a Sightstone, while flaming your whole team for not giving them middle lane and lacking vision. Twice in a row, back to back games. I know a solid number of players aren't trolled out of their Promos from Silver 1 to Gold 5, but that is my experience every Season I've hit Silver 1. I'm currently Silver IV and am doubting there is even a point to try for Silver 1, even if I fullheartedly believe I can win against Gold-Platinum players consistently.

Cansema9/20/2016, 4:06:34 AM3 votes

they have pre-made teams actually have to go against higher skill level people to 'compensate' for the organization bring the win ratio of all pre-made teams roughly 50%

Jinzo Torrance9/19/2016, 10:12:22 PM3 votes

The only real problem I have are the premades of 4 (and premades of 5 playing versus not premades of 5), they shouldn't be allowed at all. Usually toxic, no communication and they play like garbage.

Eunson9/20/2016, 2:44:05 AM3 votes

The problem with premades isn't in Bronze. It's when people understand how to abuse communication. That's why solo/duo is Diamond+

the weeaboo9/19/2016, 7:17:18 PM3 votes

Yes. I frequently will run into premades. It's not really fair if you're up against 3 or 4 guys using Discord because they have a much easier time communicating. Also it is frustrating trying to outplay a perfectly coordinated 4 man gank when you are just trying to chill out in lane.

jinxedchef9/22/2016, 1:09:38 AM2 votes

One hundred percent the worst thing about this game is premades. I can not fucking stand it. It is always the other player's fault. They do stupid trolling shit. They control the surrender vote. If you are a solo player you are at a disadvantage if there is a premade in the game on either side.

Officer Zyra 9/19/2016, 6:00:26 PM2 votes

most of the time premades play against each other premades. It can be frustrating when the enemy team has a level of corridnation that you dont have with your own team though. I have climb fairly steadily and have come across this acouple times, it isnt as damning as other like to make it out to be. It does give the enemy a hard to compete with advantage though.

FortisDominus9/19/2016, 10:06:38 PM2 votes

I feel like climbing is just slower all together than last season. Its not that I became worse of a player, its just that premades making me win and lose games only slow the rate at which I climb. I still got to the rank I was last season and even beyond that rank, it just took much longer

Drugoth9/19/2016, 8:06:15 PM2 votes

Considering the only data we can collect by ourselves as players is empirical and has no real bearing on the actual truth of the situation. The only way for us to determine if Dynamic queue is actually help or hindrance is if we were to do a survey of a very large portion of the league community with varied backgrounds and rankings. You would have to take into consideration total games played, what role they main etc etc.