Can We Discuss What Is Ruining Game Experience

ÅsheOneTrick·4/16/2019, 4:52:55 PM·6 votes·6,323 views

So I've been playing this game for over 4 years. New accounts, trying things out, picking off meta, trolling sometimes, picking braindead champions, picking meta champions, going Jarvan Camille botlane and dominating, and there is one thing I've noticed.

Every single game has somebody who doesn't care, win or lose, they remember its just a game. Then there are 2 people who care, but not enough to afk over a bad support pick. Then there are 2 people who either troll, type way to much, or get passive toxic in game.

And you know what, i want this to change, almost all players do. Nothing is going to change these things however.

But here is an idea.

Every time a player logs in, present them with their chat logs, ALL OF THEM, from the last time they logged in. Have these appear on screen, and don't allow the player to remove them or start a game until maybe 2-3 minutes go by. Many people are only toxic sometimes, or rarely, but some circumstances in game can bring it out. Maybe after seeing the things they've said, they can reform themselves before it gets too far.

Players getting out of hand ruins the game, toxic or whatever many players don't care about. Showing somebody the sheer amount of messages they've typed over a few games can be an eye opener to many players.

57 Comments

RiotBazerka4/16/2019, 5:00:07 PM14 votes

This tries to address a really deep philosophical question: Is it the role of a game (or in the past, governments, etc) to change the behavior of the individual? Or is it up to the individual and communities they inhabit to identify their need for change and adjust themselves.

To be clear, not offering any opinion either way, just highlighting a fundamental base problem that human kind has been addressing for ages :)

Timethief494/16/2019, 4:55:23 PM7 votes

So make the game as annoying as possible for players. Yeah that will totally make the game popular and not make players leave [zombie-brand-facepalm] Cant wait to look for 3 minutes at empty logs.

y0r1ck4/16/2019, 4:57:15 PM5 votes

This idea sucks because I'll literally just stop playing permanently if I have to wait every time I log in.

Xenos von Faneli4/16/2019, 6:36:46 PM4 votes

This is a very naive and poorly thought out solution, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which being that nobody cares but also simply that it wastes everyone's time. I'm not a toxic player, in fact most aren't, plenty don't even use chat. So now tons of people are just wasting time doing nothing. Time is one of league's big selling points, compared to a lot of games league can be a rather short investment, with arams taking around 20 minutes start to finish. Adding an extra 2-3 minutes is huge here. This doesn't even begin to address why showing someone what they wrote through force is a bad way to change people's actions. Honestly the fact that you believe this would have any merit makes me think you are probably very naive when it comes to how people work.

HeeroTX4/17/2019, 3:30:56 PM2 votes

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the ONLY way to improve player behavior (that is controllable) is to modify ranked so that individual play is at least HALF your LP gain/loss determinant. Toxicity is lower (not non-existent, but lower) in normals because most people "don't care". I want to win, but if things go south, you don't get too worked up because it doesn't "mean" anything. Ranked is a cesspool because whether INTENTIONAL (trolls & smurfs) or unintentional (just weak), players make each other frustrated because 4 TOTALLY RANDOM people determine whether you advance or not, and when one (or more) of them have an outsized impact on your results, it is incredibly annoying. If they're doing it intentionally, they'll often TRY to goad you into toxicity with taunts and frustrating plays, and if they're doing it unintentionally, then you will often push THEM into toxicity when your frustration gets the best of you.

And that's all it is, is pent-up, continually building FRUSTRATION. When you work with customers, its not usually a problem that one person is an idiot, it's that you deal with a thousand customers and if 10% of them are idiots then you see 100 idiots and after you pass 50, you just don't want to deal with them anymore.

Optifreak724/16/2019, 6:18:06 PM1 votes

Not sure how effective this would be. People would just login and afk until the required reading time is up.

EROTIC RAID BOSS4/16/2019, 5:08:05 PM1 votes

this would not be a popular change. it would be pretty horrible to have to wait every time you log in.

it also doesn't get to the heart of what I think is the game's biggest issues with toxicity, particularly the new player experience. riot's banning of players for toxicity actually negatively impacts our new players because those people just make smurf accounts and flame newbies. personally think they should mainly use chat restrictions and increasingly negative impacts but not outright bans, and 2 factor authentication to keep people from making smurf accounts

Ahri Baka4/16/2019, 6:48:07 PM1 votes

Toxic people do know they are toxic and they won't really reform , how will that change anything?

EyesOfTheFox4/16/2019, 6:12:08 PM1 votes

Perhaps a message on the log in screen that just says, "Thou shall not be toxic".

Archaic Mythos4/16/2019, 9:47:42 PM1 votes

What about playing back replays to people who use gameplay grief, passively int or flat out int?

KoggyStyle4/17/2019, 12:20:54 AM1 votes

extremely rare for me to say more than gg. mabye a gg wp if i felt both teams were doing well.....

Metal Janna4/16/2019, 8:20:23 PM1 votes

Just have the chat logs scroll on a loop while the player is queuing. Most players won't be bothered seeing their own chat for a second or two before they alt-tab out to their time waster. But for the section of the community that get way too heated, that say things in chat that they would never say in a calm state of mind, being confronted with their own toxicity will cause them to feel embarrassment. They will, of course, just alt-tab out and try to put it out of their minds. But they'll be reminded every time they queue up. Even if they get real good at alt-tabbing out right away, the very act of doing so will bring to mind that which they desperately want to ignore. This will cause them to consciously work toward keeping their cool, to avoid their own disapproval.