Varus: thunderlords vs Lux: thunderlords

Jeremiah H·1/2/2017, 2:05:51 AM·149 votes·80,941 views

Exhibit A: Lux hits an opponent with a spell. Her passive is marked on them and then she autos them, setting off her passive and then thunderlords.

In the sequence the opponent has been damaged by Q/E, an auto, (P), and then finally thunderlords.

Exhibit B: Varus autos an opponents. His W passive is marked on them and then he uses a spell, setting off his W passive. Thunderlords does not happen

In this sequence, the opponent has been damaged by an auto, a Q/E, W passive, but not thunderlords.

Why not?

216 Comments

Aatrox Mid 1v51/2/2017, 3:16:46 AM127 votes

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RiotNot Surrendering1/2/2017, 9:10:55 AM70 votes

When thunder lords first came out, didn't have the tech to do it. I believe we have the tech to do it soon.

The reason this occurs is that we have no way to determine spell origin. For example, on the second tick of Morgana w, thunder lords has no way of knowing if that instance of damage was from W, q, auto, r etc. As such, it has no choice but to treat it as a separate instance of damage.

This would mean that once the tech is out, any instance of damage from a spell will only refresh the thunder lords stack and not add one (morg w, mf e, etc.). Multiple cast spells will count as a separate cast for thunder lords, Eg. Ahri R. Effects that state "your attacks/spells apply X" will count as one spell including the auto attack (Eg. Teemo E). Recasts count as one (Eg. Anivia q, sejuani w). I believe aurelion passive will count as one for the game duration.

For the varus example, I'm not sure what's going on there, probably mum's linguine.

Edit: oh right, varus w is of type proc, whereas lux passive is of type spell.

ChaddyFantome1/2/2017, 2:30:39 AM9 votes

Lulu with thunderlords

Lulu E's and then auto attacks the tartget.

in this sequence, she hits someone with the damage of her E, then auto attacks them, hitting them with her Passive pix bolt as well as her actual auto attack.

Thunderlords is not proc'd.

Why?

DrCyanide1/2/2017, 2:41:17 AM9 votes

You want consistency? What blasphemy is this!

I wonder if Varus's stacks being part of an ability rather than an actual passive is the difference.

The Lexer1/2/2017, 4:30:39 AM8 votes

I may be wrong, but my guess it that Varus W enhances ability damage while Lux passive is a separate proc of damage.