I'm getting tired of this rollercoaster of: Player A: "We shouldn't buff new champions!" Player A a few hours after the champ is released: "Okay this champ is weak lets give them a little nudge." Player A once people learn how to play the new champ: "Woah woah why did we buff this champ on release he's so OP now wtf Riot."
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I'm getting tired of this rollercoaster of: Player A: "We shouldn't buff new champions!" Player B: a few hours after the champ is released: "Okay this champ is weak lets give them a little nudge." Player A once people learn how to play the new champ: "Woah woah why did we buff this champ on release he's so OP now wtf Riot."
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its not the same people asking for buffs and asking riot to be patient. those who know the pattern usually ask not to buff.
Unpopular opinion I hold, Majority of the player base has no fucking clue what's healthy for the game, most just want it to be easier for them personally so they can win more with less effort.
Most of my issues with Pyke are broken hitboxes, his buggy passive, and more importantly, his buggy ult.
His ult has an issue where it fails to cast. It will cast the skill, play the animation, and can even go on CD.... and do nothing. Clean standing still target, unhit. Other times it will stall it's cast and screw up the timing, and at other times it will buffer itself, so the reset goes entirely to waste as it instantly cast itself again, generally at a fairly random area.
His E hitbox is a mess. Sometimes when standing on someone or just past someone, you will hit them, othertimes it will whiff. Sometimes you can stand beside them, not even with them between you and the phantom, and it is a hit.
It's not about performance but about how well a player can get used to playing the new champion. They've designed champions to have a rhythm and gameplay style that just comes naturally when playing them. And for learning how to play the champion it should in turn deliver results for the player. Whether it's OP or not depends on how well players find out how to play them effectively. Once word gets out that the 'most optimal build is' or the 'most effective combo is' then it's decided when the champion is need of balancing. And when the learning curve is a little steep then the champion gets buffed.
I don't think Pyke has any issues. I mean he is fine, doesn't need buffs or nerfs. Pretty good and balance release.
"Unpopular opinion", yeah, it's not like the boards beg riot to not immediately buff a champ/rework.
I dont really mind it as long as Riot understands it. The last several "Buffs" new champions got said in all capital letters in the patch notes "TEMPORARY BUFFS WHILE PEOPLE ARE LEARNING THIS CHAMPION" Not really but near. People need to play the champion in order to get a feeling on it. And if a champion is release Ornn no one is gonna want to play them, or ban them if someone is picking them on their team (in normals)
So long as Riot understands that they need to keep on eye on release champs I dont see the harm.
Riot, on champion release:
This new champion/rework has a lot of complexity and novel mechanics, so we anticipate they'll have a low winrate on release. While they'll likely seem weak at first, we urge you to avoid jumping to conclusions based on winrate. We're gonna let their winrate sit on the low side while people figure them out.
Riot, four hours later with their precious baby sitting at 48% winrate and the boards spamming about how fundamentally flawed and bad they are:
EMERGENCY MID-PATCH HOTFIX: We knew that this champion would have a low winrate initially, but it seems like they don't get rewarded enough for good play. This will 100% make them too strong, but we wanted to give people a little bit of help while they figured them out. +3 base ad ,+10 base movenent speed, + 0.4 ad ratio distributed among abilities, strongest ability given a lower cooldown, and a fundamental kit mechanic shifted.
Meddler is trying to milk whatever is left of the playerbase before everyone quits because the game has become total trash, this means every new release/rework must be broken to pull skin sales.
No one is pretending Old Aattrox was good and thats largely because defensive items are garbage and riot gave him horrible base defenses. New Aatrox Is not faithful to his old gameplay style which is what im complainag about
Here's the thing. You need to take in the position of players when considering this. A weak champion, is only going to be played well by players that are just generally good at the game, this having very little effect on the champion's actual power level. Someone who can perfectly CS, keep map awareness, roam, etc is going to be winning more than someone who doesn't.
At that point, you're measuring the level of a player's skill, not a champion's strength. Mains of champions, or people good at the game, usually have +55% winrates, due to the basic fact that they're well experienced with the champion, and know how to play them effectively. But we don't normally balance by that, unless it's way overboard.
So, if you make a champion strong, you can get a feel on how every player can experience and play this champion, and from there, get down to figuring out whether he's fine or needs changes. The new champion isn't simply winning because the player has skills in game's mechanics, but because they have skill in the champion itself.
pyke is just bullshite
