Brand should have its base damage nerfed and its scalings buffed

YumaS2Astral·7/21/2018, 2:10:53 PM·77 votes·25,739 views

I think there are more problematic champions than Brand currently, and he isn't the first champion that I would think if someone asked "what champion would you nerf in this patch?" (I am speaking of the amount of Brand threads that have been posted recently)

With that said, I think Brand's main problem is that his base damage is too high, yet he doesn't scale nearly as well with AP. This means he can be very useful as a support, because supports tend to have lower gold income, which will not be a problem for a champion that has high base damages. It also means that he isn't that amazing as the team's main AP carry, because he doesn't scale as well as he should.

It also means that, even when behind and/or having few AP items, he can destroy you.

What should Riot do to fix Brand's problem? The solution is obvious; shift some power from his bases to his scalings. His passive was buffed to 4% of the enemy's maximum health to compensate for DFT being gone, when what Riot should have done is to increase the AP scaling from the explosion when you manage to hit three stacks with Brand's abilities. This would reward him more for comboing the enemy, not just for throwing a spell.

Also. 35% AP scaling on E? 25% AP scaling on the ult? No wonder why Brand is rarely played mid, he isn't rewarded enough for building AP and having a higher gold income.

Reducing Brand's base damage would nerf him as a support, since he would be less useful when behind, which isn't what you want on a support (a support should be useful even when behind, in contrast to a carry, which should scale well, but you can shut down and prevent him from scaling to begin with).

TL;DR: Brand feels OP currently because he has insane base damage, which allows him to heavily damage you even when you are behind. This also makes him very strong as a support. Brand was intended to go mid, but he isn't rewarded enough for building AP to allow him to be more than a niche pick in mid.

180 Comments

RiotRiot MapleNectar7/22/2018, 4:23:51 AM35 votes

You're spot on. This exact task is actually on our board to do at some point in the future. We're a bit preoccupied with other things right now, but shifting some of the base damage on his passive into ap scaling is definitely a thing we're talking about in the interest of helping out his mid without making his support overbearing.

saltran7/21/2018, 2:29:12 PM32 votes

He isn't played mid for what you said BUT is also needed to say why he went bot in the first place:

His kit is just not good against so many midlaners that can easily dodge his telegraphed skills while also his ultimate is bad on a pure 1vs1 on top of the mana problems he always had when he was mid.

Then you have botlane that is a 2vs2 lane where he can hit both enemies with his aoes, indeed his ultimate is better on a 2vs2 scenario and he doesn't need to waste his mana on wavecler, just all for poke while also being usually against immobile champs that cant dodge his skills.

So, I'm sure that just tweaking his bast dmgs and ap scaling will make him a bad support/a worse supp, but I'm also sure that just these changes will never make him a good midlaner.

Attticus Finch7/21/2018, 8:29:25 PM6 votes

There are two ways to spot a person who doesn't understand League game design:

  1. "Make Brand a scaling champion! :D "
  2. "Brand should go mid! :D "

Brand can not function with high ratios/low base stats because his damage is too unsafe. He literally has the highest average deaths of all champs in the game, because late game he pops like a balloon while having no mobility and mediocre range (for a mage). His kit functions right now because he can bully marksmen and tank supports before they scale up.

Brand can not function mid lane because his kit is shit for solo laning. He has a single ability that can trade through minions- it costs an assload of mana and is also his only decent wave clear. With below average wave clear, below average trading ability and zero sustain he's a free lane against mid-lane mages and assassins. His kit functions right now because he can bully marksmen and tank supports before they scale up.

TL;DR- until Brand gets a gameplay UPDATE and his actual kit is changed Brand will never work as a mid laner or as a late game champion.

I'd actually respect people more if they just outright suggested that his numbers be gutted and he be left in the trash until they give him an update- that's vindictive but at least logically consistent. Instead every 3 weeks we get a new "change Brand's numbers and put him mid!" thread and it's a clear case of people not understanding why champions go into the roles that they're in.

IG Ziko7/22/2018, 11:24:29 AM3 votes

Did the new fizz W work? If you play the reworked fizz you'll mostly see that the new W is completely useless for an assassin. I mean you want to one-shot people, not to hit them with AAs sor likr 5 seconds. That was a bad idia and the idea of nerfing brand support and trying to make him a viable mid is another bad idea.

Considering that you and your enemy are the same skill level, Brand mid is not going to work unless the enemy is kind enough to play a normal mage then it's an even matchup. With the current midlane meta that favours champions like Zoe, Talon, Wukong, Yasuo and maybe the new Akali too, I don't think there is a lot to do to survive and "Scale" even under your turret at some point.

As a sad brand main, I believe that best champions for midlane are champions with outplay potential or anti-assassin mages. That's why I play Zed and Malzahar when I go mid. Brand can work mid against that only if you are more skilled that your enemy or insanely good with the champion himself.

Pika Fox7/21/2018, 3:53:12 PM2 votes

Brand not being played mid has nothing to do with garbage scaling. The nerf to E range makes him get bullied hard and unable to really stay in lane, especially since he lacks mana to waveclear well.

Also, 25% AP ratio + what, 6 bounces? 5? Idr exactly. Thats a 125-150% scaling ult.