If top and mid have no agency and feel bad to play.....

Morticianjohn·4/15/2018, 11:09:48 PM·4 votes·747 views

Why are they the two most desired roles? Why doesn't everyone want to play ADC or support?

I think top and mid mains are just filling the boards with bot lane hate because they used to be able to solo carry a game. The thing is each role has 20% agency. Buffs to supports which had almost no agency a few seasons ago have merely evened out the agency across the roles 20% to each. Now players who want to solo carry a game can not.

Honestly if you were ever solo carrying a game it's only because you weren't playing against equal opponents. Maybe you've just found the right elo for you at this time.

18 Comments

Milton Fletcher4/15/2018, 11:12:07 PM3 votes

where do you see that they are the most desirable roles?

are you just making up shit out of your ass?

" Buffs to supports which had almost no agency a few seasons ago have merely evened out the agency across the roles 20% to each"

what an ignorant ass comment holy FUCK.

Poske4/15/2018, 11:14:40 PM3 votes

At master/challenger there is a massive drop with toplane popularity (Granted irelia rework helped). To a point where its a less popular role then support role

Midlane has good impact. This lane virtually cannot have bad impact reggardless of meta it ll always be at least 3rd best role

haaaaaaalp4/16/2018, 12:06:09 AM3 votes

You should probably split up top and mid lane.

Mid lane is the most picked lane. Top lane is the least picked lane in many brackets and servers even less desirable than support. Two completely different stories.

Dark Nephthys4/15/2018, 11:40:57 PM2 votes

Because playing support (ADC's baby sitter) isn't fun to a lot of people, and as far as ADC goes people would rather play champions with a bit more skill expressive than just positioning and right clicking. Now I'm not going to say that ADCs themselves really don't require skill, because positioning well in team fights and kiting is a skill and isn't always easy to do but when most of your damage comes from just right clicking and relying on rng crits, it's not as fun to some. Obviously different for the ADCs that are more cast reliant than crit, but a lot of the ADCs are based on right clicking with crit and attack speed.

Also people generally don't want to play a role that requires to rely on others in the lane phase, where it's really annoying when playing ADC/Support and your lane partner is bad and brings you down. Which is usually also why Jungler might be also on the lesser wanted roles when compared to Mid/Top has Jungler also relies on their laners to do well and follow up on their aggression.

Mid and Top are more about playing their lane solo with the occasional help of their jungler to obtain an advantage and then roam bot lane because getting your ADC fed is huge at easily winning the game. There is a reason why in most games, a team fight is won by who killed the enemy ADC quicker in the fight...Outside of a few strong Top/Mid champions.

Spicy Rice4/15/2018, 11:34:09 PM2 votes

I play top and mid because that’s what ive been playing for a few seasons now. I like the champions, I like the 1v1 aspect of the lane phase.

What I don’t like is how I have to take tp as a top laner, or how I have to roam bot as a midlaner, otherwise we will lose the game simply because the enemy team sent more people bot lane to clusterfuck, which then leads to 5 people pushing midlane at 15 mins in, and my team being unable to do anything because our adc is weaker than theirs, and I don’t have the 20 kills I need in order to 1v5 their team

dunder kill4/15/2018, 11:34:10 PM2 votes

Mid probably has the second most agency in the game and is the most desired role in the game across all ELOs. Top sucks ass

MrHaZeYo4/15/2018, 11:13:43 PM2 votes

I often get autofilled top lol.

I'd say Mid still has a big desire though.

sKz Aaron D4/15/2018, 11:48:54 PM1 votes

The only area where top lane is the most desired role is low elo on the Vietnam server. Everywhere else, it is the least, or 2nd least desired role. The Irelia rework coming out probably bumped up the popularity temporarily, but until some legitimate changes happen, it's doubtful that top won't just fall back to where it was before.

woodvsmurph4/15/2018, 11:57:02 PM1 votes

Supports other than damage supports like brand cannot carry unless they have a good adc. Low elo is full of bad, overly-egotistical adc's. Recent metas have reinforced a fear of dying in people - preventing many high burst damage all-in comps... stuff like vi jg plus zed mid plus some diving toplaner with burst such as a riven or darius. Peeling is too strong to reward such comps unless they are already far ahead. But back to the reason top an mid are still played.

Mid - has some carry potential, but it doesn't last into the late game; it should. Their potential largely lies in either early snowball of their lane and jg which can be carried to other lanes (mostly bot) or... go even mid and empower side lanes via roams/ganks (again, mostly focused on putting their bot lane ahead). This is why we see stuff like taliyah be so popular. She's not top tier due to her power, but due to the power she has to put her bot lane ahead and let them snowball while going about even in mid.

Top - the answer is simple. People in solo queue prefer to play carry champs even if they have less potential to win a game. To borrow from/paraphrase Phylol, toplaners would rather have fun on a carry toplaner than play a tank and have a higher chance to win the game. To translate that across roles... people would rather lose a game toplane as darius or fiora than win a game as braum or soraka support.

Popularity does not equal viability or ability to carry. Just because people play a role doesn't mean it's in a good spot. Not being able to carry doesn't mean you are at the correct elo. There's plenty of plats and diamonds who will admit on the boards to having games in silver elo smurf account which they cannot carry. I myself last season dropped from s3 50+% winrate to s5 0lp over 2 weeks with 90% unwinnable games. Whether I was 4/0/0 while being camped by the enemy jg or was 0/3/2 in lane... it wouldn't have an impact on the outcome of the game. It didn't matter if I could 1v2 the fed enemy bot duo... we still couldn't win a 5v5 and my teammates wouldn't or couldn't hold a tower 4v3 and let me split to victory. After 2 weeks of elo hell? This "git gud" "stay bronze 5" etc. toplaner climbed to gold 3 in less than a month. Not through improving myself, but through having actually winnable games where my teammates were capable of winning lanes or at least losing gracefully rather than full on inting. That's right... s5 0lp to gold 3 in less than a month.

With the current state of the game? Those bot lane fed duo's that I could (and sometimes did) 1v2 last season would just delete me now. Not through superior skills or having improved more than me, but through the meta being just stupidly in bot lane's favor. It's much easier to 2v1 shut down a solo laner from snowballing than it is to 3v2 shut down a fed botlane if you're bot lane is that bad or even just one of the two is. It's much easier to just be a giant cc meat shield for your fed adc and win a game even if you got your butt kicked than it is to shut down said adc through said meatshield as a fed melee toplaner or mid. It has nothing to do with skill or "all roles have 20% carry potential now" (which is a lie). It has to do with itemization, runes, meta, and access to doing damage to carries. Adc's get the best of it in every way.

I'm a former support main, current toplane main. I still enjoy support role as secondary. And I will tell you, the game is far too rewarding to peeling, to adc's, and to aa-based champs in general. The same burst damage threat that a mid used to have late game when I started playing seasons ago is not there. The same potential for those roles to carry is not there. The game is entirely weighted around the role of adc. Not completely because of the adc itself, but it is the combination of factors for all roles which collectively gives far too much power to this one role. Which we can clearly see via almost every pro game... just so no one argues that it's only true at low elo or for solo queue.

People remember when those other roles mattered. People play for the one game in 20 when they still do matter. When you get to live out the fantasy of being that fed assassin or mage who reigns death on anyone you chose who walks within range of you. When you live out that fantasy of teleporting behind the enemy team as they rush baron and 4v5 demolish them - picking up a triple kill on your fed toplane bruiser or fighter while simultaneously tanking the damage of 4 of the 5 enemy team members. When you see the fed enemy adc who expects - thanks to stupidity of how overpowered they have been in recent past and somewhat still are - be be able to stand there and dps you down... only to realize, they're going to die... so you watch them panic flash, pop heal, and run for their lives, then kill them anyways. People live for that one game in 20 where they still get to do that... even if the other 19 games largely involve them getting smashed regardless of how well they do in lane and how well they play out post-laning phase as an individual. Because it is far more rewarding when it succeeds than right clicking someone to death who can never hope to reach you or burst you. Because it is far more rewarding than tormenting other roles who would in seasons past have been able to carry the fight but now cannot due to adc's and the meta, items, and runes which overbuff them... and knowing that you have given in to being one of the bad guy's and become a cronie pawn for them rather than join the resistance... (and fight along side captain america) for true justice and fairness.

2Charmnot2Charm4/15/2018, 11:27:29 PM1 votes

Because they are solo lanes? People prefer a lane they have full control of rather than going anywhere near bot since they would have to depend on their adc (or support) also knowing what they are doing.

If you want to win the game easier this season go jungle/adc/support (even better if you have a duo for one of those roles) it's that simple.

Playing lanes you like = Playing lanes that has the strongest influence in the game.