@Riot With the recent epidemic of scripting, botting, etc.

SC0RP10·Oct 30, 2014·5 votes·2,443 views

Can we get some clarity or acknowledgement that you know this happening?

Can you implement an option to report someone for cheating in the end game menu? It would be quite a nice feature to have, so we don't have to spend a whole 30 mins going to the support page to go through the process.

I get that this stuff is hard to combat because it is client side, but is there anything you can do about it?

As it stands right now this issue is getting progressively worse and worse. A couple of months ago I don't recall anyone cheating in any form. Lately, (I don't know if it is because of the end of season rewards) the amount of people cheating in my division, platinum, has progressed from having somebody doing this in maybe one out of twenty games to around one out of every eight games. If I took the time to go to your support site and report them I would be truly exasperated.

TL;DR: After the whole Ashe "Q" fiasco people seem to have realized that League of Legends is much more vulnerable than people think and people are now scripting, botting, etc because of it. It would be great to finally get a report option for cheating. Is Riot aware that things have gotten this bad?

27 Comments

Techno BunnyOct 30, 20143 votes

They know about it, obviously you havn't read updates, they know but aren't doing horse shit.

SC0RP10Oct 31, 20142 votes

Has Riot created threads acknowledging all of this? So they aren't working on a fix?

Techno BunnyNov 7, 20141 votes

No, people have been posting all these threads for 3 years and Riot hasn't replied, and has closed a few.... they don't care what happens, they only care about $$$

Techno BunnyNov 7, 20141 votes

No, people have been posting all these threads for 3 years and Riot hasn't replied, and has closed a few.... they don't care what happens, they only care about $$$.... other than that, in a recent update they posted about knowing it for refer-a-friend... but they don't do anything still... just make it where the botters in refer-a-friend cant gain rewards as much

Vahn65Oct 30, 20143 votes

"if your not playing in the LCS and bringing us marketing money you dont matter." - Sincerely, Riot Gaming.

SC0RP10Oct 30, 20143 votes

Instead of spending time on the New Summoner's Rift Map for Season 5 #LCSBIGPLAYZ, they need to postpone Season 5 till they have solved the issue of this hackfest. What is the purpose of Season 5 if the only way to climb is to utilize bots to get to the top and players are just complete trash otherwise? Knowing Riot, they will jump right into Season 5 instead of solving the issues that need solving.

"Gotta get that cash money." - Riot Gaming #Season5 #LCSBIGPLAYZ

KinjishiOct 30, 20142 votes

This is the same practice with every company I've ever worked for. Fix bugs later, push features now. Features = money

Why? Because people continue to put up with bugs/faulty stuff as long as it works "well enough" and like new shiny things. People aren't boycotting and withholding their money, so it isn't a big enough issue to fix RIGHT NOW, THIS INSTANT. They'll get to it when they get to it - plan it long term with everything else.

Don't know what happens after people sell the bot accounts, but one can suppose that a player buys one and can purchase via IP a lot of ruins and a few characters. Once they have some characters, they are probably willing to buy some champion skins. Heck, they just paid 20-60 USD on a level 30 bot account.

SC0RP10Oct 31, 20142 votes

I'm really starting to believe Riot just don't care. Riot seems to be okay with their game working "well enough." "Well enough" meaning that the exploiting is just going to get worse and worse until they finally acknowledge it is a problem. If you give exploiters an inch, who's to say they won't go a mile? This game might actually be on it's downward spiral and I didn't even know. If they are truly planning to solve this major problem in a long time frame then I will be gone for a long time frame. I will probably never come back if another publisher can give me a better experience.

If Riot is okay with bot accounts because they are making money off of it, then that is disgusting and I'm not sure I want anything to do with a publisher like that.

GorszOct 30, 20142 votes

Riot either cannot do anything about it, or they refuse to allocate the resources to fix it.

Cassiopeia was gutted (reworked) because of scripters. Riot would rather destroy a champion then tackle the cheating going on.

Theres so many hacks nowadays for this game it would make your headspin.

SC0RP10Oct 30, 20142 votes

Awhile ago, I would have said you were full of 'it' thinking Riot doesn't care about this problem. But lately, this game's exploits have gotten exponentially worse over time and I am now starting to believe they really don't care. I have been steering clear of ranked for this exact reason.

This saddens me because I thoroughly enjoy this game and wish the best for it. I don't want it to become a hackfest, which will inevitably kill the game. Like many players, I will jump ship and find the next best thing when a product doesn't meet my expectations. It makes me sad that it has got to this point with League of Legends, this is one of my favorite games to date. I'm profusely upset that I'm already starting to look for another moba that plays similar to League of Legends that doesn't have an infestation of cheaters.

Off Topic: Has anyone played Smite (yeah, I know it's not like League at all)?

DrogmyreOct 30, 20142 votes

I have.

SC0RP10Oct 31, 20141 votes

Have you played Smite? Is it good?

Sorry if that isn't what you meant, I'm not sure what you meant with your post.

DrogmyreOct 31, 20143 votes

It's alright, unless you've played the game since beta like i have.

Oh god, I miss smite beta. It was broken as all fucking hell, but GOD it was so much fun. Now, gods like Guan Yu are called 'guan yuseless' because he's so fucking terrible. Ares and Hades, 2 of the most broken gods in the beta, are also generally considered 'bad' (except for Ares in arena, where he's still broken as hell.)

The balancing is 'meh', the game has some serious problems with gods being constantly broken as hell. It's sort of like Lee Sin syndrome, Hi-Rez just kind of refuses to nerf OP gods when they're dominating a patch.

Game is fun as hell, though. I just have a bone to pick with them because they ruined my favorite god (Guan Yu, who was admittedly OP as hell) and let some gods like Scylla/Ra go without nerfs for too long despite their dominance. Also, if you keybind correctly you can actually play smite on an Xbox controller, which is awesome.

SC0RP10Oct 31, 20141 votes

Not going to lie, Smite just doesn't sound like my cup of tea then. :P I'm a huge stickler for at semi-competent balancing and it sounds like Smite is about as far away from that is can get. That, and I swear I recall reading somewhere that Hi-Rez just drops support for it's game out of nowhere sometimes.

DrogmyreOct 31, 20141 votes

Look up Tribes. That was the game that Hi-rez dropped support for.

SC0RP10Nov 1, 20141 votes

That's weird, after some googling apparently Tribes was a decently well acclaimed multiplayer shooter yet Hi-Rez dropped support for it. Makes me wonder if they'd do the same thing to Smite in the future.

RaptameiOct 30, 20142 votes

Riot cannot fix cheating because the game was made on a shoestring budget with no expertise in 2009. It is however Riot's fault for not rewriting the game at some point when it got popular. They wanted to save money and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

First page of a Google search:

www.elitepvpers.com/forum/league-legends-hacks-bots-cheats-exploits/
www.lolbandit.net/
hackerbot.net/mmo/league-of-legends-lol
www.botoflegends.com/

Download a bot and use it. The more people bot, the sooner Riot will fix it; or they don't care, in which case you should be cheating anyway if you want to win.

Also: Never buy RP with a credit card. Riot WILL get hacked and have all their user data stolen. It's only a matter of time.

SC0RP10Oct 30, 20141 votes

I agree with you Raptamei, it seems like all of Riot's incompetence seems to boil down to their terrible coding. They need to recreate this game from the ground up with enhanced security measures, otherwise this game is as good as dead. Riot makes more than enough money to do something about this. I'm inclined to agree with your post Raptamei. They have taken the low road regarding this game.

I don't want this game to devolve into who has the better bot, but it seems like Riot doesn't care that it is going down that road. I will sooner leave this game outright then join all the scum who are cheating to win.

Like I said, if anyone else has some good suggestions for a good moba please send me a message.

RaptameiOct 30, 20142 votes

Like I said, if anyone else has some good suggestions for a good moba please send me a message.

Dota 2. It actually isn't as hard to pick up as LoL, in fact it's much easier because there's no massive grind at the start and when you see an interesting hero you can just pick them and give them a try. No bots greeting new players either.

Also, contrary to common belief, you won't get roflpwned at the start - your first 10-15 games will be against complete newbies who don't have the faintest idea what they're doing and you can go 20-0 just by virtue of farming a few creeps and right clicking on the opponents whenever they show up.

You'll figure out how to play, what the important heroes do and how to follow its ingame community guides (!!) well before the enemies catch up to your mad last hitting skillz and you lose your first game.

SC0RP10Oct 30, 20141 votes

That sounds so contrary to what some of my friends have said about Dota 2. It's probably because they are League biased though. :P I never actually thought of giving it an actual shot because I heard that people who cross over from League to Dota 2 get completely smashed, nice to know that isn't true.

I'll have to give it a shot when I get my next paycheck. Thanks Raptamei. :)

RaptameiOct 30, 20142 votes

That sounds so contrary to what some of my friends have said about Dota 2. It's probably because they are League biased though. :P I never actually thought of giving it an actual shot because I heard that people who cross over from League to Dota 2 get completely smashed, nice to know that isn't true.

I'll have to give it a shot when I get my next paycheck. Thanks Raptamei. :)

You get smashed if you know absolutely nothing about mobas and you just derp into lane and die to creeps. Knowing what a moba is and how it works puts you ahead of 95% of the people you'll meet in newbie island. Seriously, the first dozen games have opponents (and teammates) that resemble beginner bots in LoL.

Tip: click on the little book icon in the top left, then on the arrow to see a list of community guides. Select one and it'll replace your recommended items and indicate which abilities to level. Good guides also include notes on each item and ability telling you how to use them. Much better than League where you are just left to dry and your only recourse is Lolking.

SC0RP10Oct 30, 20141 votes

Are the guides submitted by pros, or are they the most common builds for the hero? Also, how solo queue friendly is it? Are the players as toxic as League players make them out to be?

It will probably be easier for me to pick up Dota 2 than it was League, considering League was my first moba.

DrogmyreOct 30, 20143 votes

There are pro guides, but usually there are guides from some of the popular Dota personalities like Sunsfan/Purge, and they're generally solid builds.

Solo Queue is tolerable.

No.

SC0RP10Oct 31, 20141 votes

Sounds like a quality experience. I don't know why I'm going to a secondhand publisher like Riot for my moba experience when I can go to Valve for a better one. Looks like I'm going to create a Dota 2 account. Thanks all. :) Maybe I'll be able to add some of you.

DrCyanideOct 30, 20142 votes

The last few patches have been very buggy, and I suspect that some of that carries through to the back end as well, allowing exploits to have an easier time.

4.16 was Azir's release (remember all the bugs with him at launch?)
4.17 introduced a disconnect/unable to connect bug for a lot of people. Azir still had bugs, since most of them couldn't be submitted for this patch.
4.18 broke several champion's cone abilities, Singed's E, saved chat positions were ignored, the Ashe Q exploit hit, etc.

From what the people who play on PBE were saying, some of these things bugs weren't present there, which implies Riot isn't following good testing practices (pushing changes to Live without testing them).

We need a serious bug-fix patch to get everything stabilized again, but said patch is pretty heavily delayed by Worlds. Maybe they can work the necessary fixes into the Season 5 patch. At least the new Summoners Rift is going to be a staged upgrade to test for bugs on smaller, less critical portions of the community.

SC0RP10Oct 30, 20142 votes

This is even more of a reason for them to recode the game from the ground up, as Raptamei alluded to. Everytime Riot pushes a patch through something breaks in a major way. It's really quite questionable how it never ceases to skip a patch.

If what you are saying is true regarding them pushing out patches from the PBE without doing the required testing and it possibly being a cause of any of these exploits, then Riot really need to reevaluate their priorities.

I find it absolutely ludicrous that they leave the game in the state it is in. The haven't talked to us about doing anything about the horrible coding, scripting, botting, exploiting, etc. It's really making me question Riot as a company and whether they actually care about their consumers at all.

The first step would be for them to hold some form of a discussion and admit there is a problem and work from there. It's almost as though they have too much pride to do the right thing.