I wish there was another AP Armor item, something with a purely anti Physical effect

DongsAndShrooms·6/24/2018, 11:00:30 PM·116 votes·20,343 views

Something along the lines of item 3155 + item 3156

I would massacre an entire way of life and sacrifice what makes them people for an item like that so I can actually have a chance to be on equal footing against the Irelia Yasuo Zed Talon Darius who are all allowed to sit on item 3155 forever and move on while AP champs are shoehorned into this sub optimal joke of an item item 3157 because that's the only fucking option they have to mitigate an AD's burst (Which will always have a CD lower than 120~)

It's depressing.

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ktjnkk6/24/2018, 11:10:17 PM87 votes

Zed mains if riot added a ap item with physical damage shield https://t4.rbxcdn.com/3473e750e82f58a7cda3a6e930497e2e zed players when they buy hexdrinker https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/423877656820580354.png?v=1

Naymliss6/24/2018, 11:29:12 PM32 votes

Yeah, I agree. item 3157 is comparable to item 3139 , but there is nothing to match item 3156. Then again, it will never happen, riot has too many feast or famine champions who would be gutted if they added it including: MonkeyKing , Zed etc

Daddy Ants6/25/2018, 11:14:11 AM15 votes

Zed Mains are having a right bitch about Seeker's and Zhonya's.

https://www.reddit.com/r/zedmains/comments/8tl2yt/my_latest_rant_will_probably_get_0_comments_on/

God forbid that anyone can itemize against Zed.

CHAMP SUCKS CUZ AP CAN INVEST 3000 GOLD INTO A ZHONYAS.

When Zed and Talon only need an 1100 gold Serrated Dirk to start OS'ing people

Critmaster Garen6/25/2018, 12:56:23 AM14 votes

how about no?

why do mages need to be ranged, bursty, tanky and loaded with cc? if they get something like that, i want an item for juggernauts that lets me flash on targets.

the entire reason why mages arent getting more defensive items, is because theyre supposed to be squishy, because theyre already ranged and cc loaded and have the best kiting in the game.

i already disagree with all those defensive marksmen items. no need to make it even worse.

bbQsauçe6/25/2018, 12:41:35 AM11 votes

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Zeromatsu6/25/2018, 11:06:50 AM8 votes

Don't forget they can easily pick up Nullifying Orb to completely render you useless in laning.

The most frustrating moments are when playing against ad champions. Yet they get so many defensive options like GA, Hexdrinker, qss or even Steraks that you just can't do anything against.

Reading some of the comments just shows how delusional some people are. How would one more defensive option for mages break the game?

Squidward Dab6/25/2018, 11:55:59 PM6 votes

The fact that people here actually think seekers is comparable to hexdrinker is laughable, the item does jack shit, the only reason you buy it is to quickly finish ur zhonyas. It has terrible stats for a first item considering most mages need mana before hand.

Also, you do realize that items like rod of ages and archangel take time for the full effects right? Whereas ad items instantly get whatever shit they have the moment it’s purchased.

And if you’re gonna tell mages to purchase items like deadmans and armour items with no ap at all, then why don’t you just build spirit visage and lets just remove maw? Oh yea, because it only provides mr with no ad

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

JavelinJoe6/24/2018, 11:43:00 PM6 votes

I would like another item too, but I can see form a play style standpoint as to why there is not. Almost every AP champion is burst and/or combo based or DoT based (Swain and Cassiopeia for example). Where most AD is either continuous (such as in AA based marksmen and fighters) or burst after a delay (like Zed's ult for example).

item 3155 is a great passive to counter burst. The shield can prevent most combos from 1 shotting while the amount of MR can soften up the poke damage to a somewhat more manageable rate.

item 3157 is great vs combo burst champions who have to all in to kill (mainly assassins). The active makes any combo less effective, if not completely nulled. The armor also weakens the poke from abilities. And for just 1100g, the 45 armor and 35 AP from just item 3191 is not a bad deal, plus it has no cooldowns to deal with, unlike item 3155.

The reason they are set up like this is because most AP champions either out range or can out maneuver most AD champions. Champions like Lux, LeBlanc, or Xerath should have no issue with harassing a squishy immobile marksmen from range or with their mobility. So the amount of incoming trade damage should be small. 45 armor should be enough.

Where as an immobile and squishy AD would have minimal opportunity to win the trade/poke war, let alone the instant kill threat. The shield prevents the threat of instant death every so often and the MR staves off some of the chip damage.

In this case I would say Zhonyas is actually preferred. It does everything that is needed for a burst AP champion to be effective and also counters the burst assassins, as well as stops a lot of abilities from working properly, as well as stalls for your abilities to come off of CD.

Now, there are those champion which do not follow the "rules" and make the items work better than intended. These are AD fighters. Champions with enough natural defensive stats to make them not squishy, and with good enough AD stats to make them a damage threat, along with mobility and/or massive sustain/shielding. The number 1 offender is obviously Yasuo followed by currently Irelia.

Sad thing is that there is not an easy way to introduce an item to counter only these champions without benefiting the counter to others more so than they need. For example, lets say a new item is made that gives a good amount of AP (like 70 or so) and also mitigates AD damage taken by the same champion by 20% for 5 seconds (think adaptive helm passive). This would prevent fighters from dealing that crazy repeated damage, but also would inadvertently nerf all marksmen severely.

tl;dr I agree it would be nice, but it probably could be very hard to make because of how it could significantly hurt other champions who are not part of the issue.

Goroh6/25/2018, 4:10:18 PM5 votes

It's been my experience that if you're building item 3156 then you're dying to your laner too much. Why the hell would a Zed or Talon skip item 3134 and an early item 3147 unless they're getting shit on. It's the same the other way around. would why I skip item 3802 on a mage like Lux Syndra or Xerath unless I'm getting fucked up by an assassin and need to rush item 3157. item 3156 is actually a fairly garbage item and I honestly can't remember the last time I built it and I have 200+ games of mid/top this season. If i'm getting shit on as a bruiser the last thing i'm going to think about building is Maw, I would much sooner get item 3053 or any combo of items that bring much more to the table than 50AD and 50MR like item 3071 + item 3065 or item 3748 + item 3193 ... The problem here is that mage players would rather go a static core build then complain when they get shit on rather than counter-building like you're supposed to be doing every game. And there is no arguement that mage's don't have plenty defensive options. item 3001 item 3102 item 3152 item 3151 item 3165 item 3027 item 3040 item 3116

Mogarl6/25/2018, 3:19:42 AM4 votes

I could even go for an armor tank item that doesn't have a large portion of it's value in an anti adc, or melee only passive. So that I could buy and sit on a chain vest. item 3025 is the closest thing available, but not every champion has synergies with spellblade.

potchiker6/25/2018, 6:04:31 AM3 votes

Inspired from a removed item called: Breathstealer

Stats +95 ability power +70 armor UNIQUE: +10% cooldown reduction

Active UNIQUE: Reduces target enemy champion's attack damage by 70% for 4 seconds (600 range) (90 second cooldown).

Recipe item 1058 + item 3108 + item 1031 + item 1029 + item 1029 + 300 = 3850


NaturesMayhem6/25/2018, 8:48:03 AM1 votes

I get the appeal, but I believe mages should be purely damage and remain squishy. Their purpose is to burst and deal damage, they shouldn't be provided sustain on top of that.