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Cass players get ready to stand for Sion players

so chad·9/12/2014, 7:14:53 PM·6 votes·1,304 views

Back in March of 2014 Riot Chun gave insight into a potential future retune of Lee Sin (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/03/red-post-collection-lee-sin-retune-team.html) which was to be similar in scope to the one given to Cassiopeia. Essentially, Riot wanted to reduce the early game power of Lee Sin and channel it into a stronger late game. This upset a legion of Lee Sin players because they viewed it as Riot attempting to pull a complete 180 on the power curve of the quintessential early game jungler. Due to the condemnation of the player base Riot scrapped the retune entirely, despite viewing Lee Sin as the flag bearer of a game warping subset of champs crowding out nearly all variety among junglers.

Fast forward to two weeks ago. Riot informed the players of a retune for Cassiopeia (http://www.newsoflegends.com/index.php/wip-pbe-cassiopeia-rework-tu-guardian-of-the-sands-khazix-new-akali-splash-art-24895/), which was met with equally negative feedback as the Lee Sin retune. This time Riot's plan was more egregious, as not only did they plan to pull a complete 180 on Cassiopeia's power curve, but also play style by shifting all of the power out of Cassiopeia's poisoning skill shots and dumping it into her single target targeted ability. Cassiopeia players were very open to a retune as she is clearly not a powerful or popular champion (though this is only true regarding Summoner's Rift), unlike Lee Sin players who wanted Riot to put the nerf gun down and step away, but were extremely negative towards the direction Riot was taking her. Unlike Lee Sin, Cassiopeia's rework was pushed through.

What was the difference? There's a boat load of Lee Sin players, but Cassiopeia isn't nearly as popular, and popularity is tied directly to the in-game strength of the champions. This creates a dangerous downward spiral regarding the relationship between Riot and the playerbase. Players are unhappy that their favorite champion isn't strong enough, but not many people play the champion due to his/her weakness, and thus Riot doesn't listen to the concerns of the players who have invested time/money into the champion!

Well, only half of that breakdown is on Riot. We know that we can put the brakes on terrible reworks as its happened before (Lee Sin). We just need to come together to help each other out. When Riot gives details on the Sion rework we need to raise the alarms if it appears that another champion will lose his soul. Sion players won't be able to do it on their own as he's one of the few champions as unpopular as Cass.

EDIT: Guys, don't give flack to people who say they enjoy the Cass retune. The whole point of this thread is giving a voice to the little guy. Refute their points, explain why their reasoning may be wrong, or give your own opinion back to them, but theres no reason to be negative towards them.

26 Comments

Worgslarg9/12/2014, 7:21:32 PM8 votes

You are assuming that whatever riot does for sion is a bad thing, and you are trying to incite a crowd simply to complain about sion, who needs a rework, changing his identity or not.

Eagleheart9/12/2014, 7:19:16 PM6 votes

The problem is that Cassiopeia's old passive was, indeed, a noob trap. You were encouraged to spam your skills yet your mana reserves an cooldown put a halt to this very quickly. Why they would rework sion (A champion I scarcely see ingame unless I'm playing AD sion top an laughing.) I don't know. But Cassiopeia did need a gameplay update and needed one quite badly. We have it now, and currently it's still hot out of the furnace, we just need to hammer riot to press it into it's proper place.

Fat of the Land9/12/2014, 7:42:15 PM6 votes

I like the Cassiopeia rework. Her poisons are still crucial to her kit as that sets up her ability to spam twin fangs, without landing the poisons her DPS drops dramatically. She's still the poison based mage, I don't understand why people complain like her identity has changed when it hasn't. Her playstyle is nearly identical to before. The main difference is that instead of being a lane bully who transitions into a super DPS mage she has a more traditional hypercarry power curve, which is a good thing because it's more consistent with the class archetypes of League.

The nerfs to her DoTs AP ratios were necessary because DoTs are safe harass and deceptively strong, so when those DoTs deal high damage it turns champions who abuse them into obnoxious lane bullies, which in turn means they must lose power elsewhere or be straight broken (See Malzahar, Teemo, nerfs to Dravens & Twitchs passive etc.).

She could probably still use some tweaks (I'd like to see some bonus damage if she uses her ult when the enemy is facing away) but overall they did a really good job with the rework.

Wullf9/17/2014, 8:44:08 AM1 votes

All it says is that Riot made mistake with Lee sin giving in to his players.

Though both cases are completely different as Riot (or atleast i think so) is trying to make all champions somewhat viable picks, because Cass was forgotten and underplayed but on the other hand Lee sin is/was played too much.

But both these champs had (have) unhealty mechanics in their kit. Lee sin has his early dominance and Cassiopea her ridiculous poison damage.

I am not saying that Cass rework is alright but I do not dislike the direction she is heading and belive me I really liked old Cass.

The thing you are promoting here is developing preassure on Riot to make them do what YOU want, because you think that you know what is right.

But think is she needed rework so reverting it will help nothing. Jut give her chance, write something constructive and then maybe we shall see reasonable changes.