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The current state of yi in high elo right now

Fr Yi Lo·6/24/2017, 3:13:58 AM·18 votes·4,228 views

So this post doesent really metter for most players but it really does for those players like me who main yi at hart.

A lot of bronze-low plat players complain about yi being too strong if ahead and unstoppable after getting ahead.And yes yi really stomp plat- players really hard source https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=instakiii i did a smurf just to test this out,

But a lot of high elo Yi mains now complain about yi being too hard,unplayable and really not a good pick in higher elos...just a few are those who could reach master with yi and with few i mean 3-4 players and no one got chall with him source-> (league of graphs,lolskill)

The problem with Yi in high elo is that the game right now is like chess You win games by outsmarting the enemy mechanicaly and generaly.Its all about the macro its not how hard you win lane or how good of a player you are if you dont outsmart at least 60% of the enemy team you are going to lose or get carried

He is only usefull when his ultimate is up, if its not and your team fights or gets caught ur screwed you cant go in or you will die...waiting for that ult to be usefull is a pain and not only that but even when ult is up you HAVE to get a kill or you will still be useless and there is a high probability that they will stun,kite,burst you and your highlander duration will end and ofc ur still screwed , if you do 1 mistake by that i mean just 1 single mistake literally one bad q and with bad q i mean every q you need to dodge the enemy skillshots or follow their flash dashes ur still screwed basiclly you need a perfect engage timing,perfect q timing and the perfect moment to be there(all that in soloQ) 1 chance win it all or lose it and in most of the cases you will lose it ofc...its just a yi

while other junglers like the meta picks zac,lee,kha,elise,ivern etc etc can go in make mistakes and still be good they can just wait 5-10 sec for their next ability and use it they dont need to wait a certain time to engage they can gank whenever they want where they want how they want they are not afraid of doing one bad combo because it will make them useless for 1 minute nooo they are not yi they are the meta junglers who everyone plays.

Dont make yi entirely based on his R ability because it sucks thats the problem with yi he will be more uselss than usefull in most of the game he cant gank whenever he wants because he rly needs his R to kill or not fail a gank. Also fun fact most of champions outrun yi with just their w,e abilitys smth that should not be a thing his r is all about movement speed and champions like lucian,kha etc can outrun him? not only they are faster but they have a dash or stun too like legit playing yi is so anoying sometimes just knowing that

Other junglers can so well and its actually frustating because all my champ does is kills people, best case scenario takes towers,splits but this is not good in this meta...Not only jungle is bad now thats why junglers like elise,lee,ivern are a thing cuz they dont need to powerfarm to be strong they can just jerk off in bushes spamgank and still be higher in xp than the enemy jungler this the xp is so broken right now it needs to be fixed this way junglers can focus on their camps more this will make meta junglers and off meta junglers kindaaa go even in xp but still not enough i dont wanna go into deep shit so lets just stay to the yi

What riot needs to do with yi is make him more usefull by giving him some freedom he should not be relied entirely on his ultimate and resets and his clears are a bit of a pain because of his mana... his q uses a lot of mana (120) and his mana pool is low so lowering his q mana would be really good for his jungle clears and wave clears late game all it takes to ruin my mana is 3-4 qs when i split after that i only have mana for q or r and thats pretty dumb

there are a lot of other things that are wrong with yi but what i mentioned are core...Buffing jungle xp given by jungle camps would be really game changing too because thats why jungle sucks in general right now and by that i dont mean junglers(the champions) but the jungle(camps) they are not worth doing it mos of the time because ganking is way more worth u can just sit 1 minute in a bush wait for a good moment gank and you can make all your time even more worth than you would with camps.

buffing the xp given by camps would be great and im not the only one who says so.

I hope this reaches to riot and if you did read this all thanks!

(sorry for typos if i did any its just 5am here and eng is not my main language have a good day ^^)

47 Comments

SEKAI6/24/2017, 7:49:06 AM6 votes

That's because Yi is played like a chess game as you've mentioned, his 1 dimensional kit means he has to "out-smart" the opponent and not "out-press" them. But many people do not see skill unless you're mashing buttons, and not just all mashing, because they somehow differentiate between Garen mashing and Riven mashing, where one is 'no-skill' and the other 'high-skill'.

Which this then plays into a fallacy where they believe 'no-skill' should be weak because "you're not putting in enough effort". The fallacy is that many people believe that having more options and flexibility is a con rather than a plus, and a limited kit means it's easier hence somehow "better".

Remember the age-old motto where people believe that Supp should be a literal ward bot because they say support champs is just sitting there warding and getting carried by their lane partner? This is a bit like that, in a sense if you can see the connection (cbf to draw out the post with the explanation of my line of thought here...).

Can you even follow this logic? I don't expect you can, because that's not how rationality works. But that's how they conclude why Yi shouldn't be strong.

Because apparently, balance isn't equal. "Every champ is made equal, but some are more equal than others" - some parts of the League community.

DoktorKaiser6/24/2017, 8:19:02 AM4 votes

That is connected with the fact that in low elo people hate playing tanks who are usually the ones with hard targeted CC so he can roflstomp them, while in higher elo people have enough of a brain to dont pick a teamcomp with 0 CC. He might be easier to grasp than lee sin, but he is much harder to actually play than him vs a competent team, but fucktards will always flame you for playing yi...

Sir Yamazuki6/24/2017, 4:18:42 AM3 votes

He doesn't even need buffs, his performance in Diamond isn't even bad and there's several one trick yi mains across multiple regions in Diamond~Challenger.

PiVoRx6/24/2017, 4:24:03 PM3 votes

2mln points Yi main here with 2 D5 accounts I stop playing this game (one game per month) just cause how Riot threats Yi and keeps him garbage cause Bronzies cant handle him.

I made shitload of posts how this champion sucks and everything Riot did was nerfing him hard as fuck when Devourer got removed, so i stop caring and i dont belive theres anything to convice that Master Yi needs strong buffs.

He has too many easy to exploit weaknesess with no real strong sides at all beside "damage" that only equals to Lee Sin after 20+ min of farming assuming you didnt died too much already. He cant do shit whole early game beside farming and cant even defend himself in case of counter jungling and is too dependand on Highlander as mentioned.

Master Yi used to be known as champion with very fast jungle clear that he trade for weak ganks, but since jungle got reworked, every jungler is now a power farmer while also meta ones are can gank but Yi cant do shit. In previous seassons it was about getting 2 Core items to become effective and know you also need some tanky items to survive bursts to deal any damage.

I think his Cooldowns are kinda insane, 85 on ult that allows him to do anything and 35 on W that acts only as aa reset is just bullshit, since Highlander lasts 7 seconds it often ends before you can get any resets. Q deals no damage at all, E scales with nothing (cause Yi items have no AD at all).

Everyone says that hes champion with very good damage, but its the Lee Sin who one shots him.

The Deckowner6/24/2017, 4:45:00 AM2 votes

I am not even a Yi main, just a casual Yi player that play him sometimes in normal wth friends. The problem wth Yi is that a late game glass cannon melee adc really doesn't fit the meta, with all the lifesteal/damage reduction/heal/shield/exhaust, Yi don't have a lot of chance to dive backlines. In suituations where Yi can work any other diver jungler can work just as well, in situations where Yi doesn't work other jungler works better, so there is little to no reason to pick him. I think he is up for a rework, along with Tryn and Xin.

Also why haven't Rito fix alpha strike's bugs yet? Especially those that occur often like the one where jungle camps' no longer have attack animation but still damage you after you alpha strike.

Tobias Brackner6/24/2017, 10:03:57 AM2 votes

I feel a lot of the problems you describe can be fixed by the proper team comp.

I feel Yi is pretty perfect, even with R reliance. The cooldown on his ult is tiny and can easily be up between teamfights.

If you pick Yi into a comp that has AoE CC in one or two of the other lanes, he will be able to dominate with proper timing and claim all the resets that he wants. Alternatively, you can be in a team that is good at keeping up pressure in multiple lanes. This allows him to pick off smaller targets so his Alpha Strike dodge whatever hard CC they have.

Moooose26/24/2017, 3:31:09 AM2 votes

yi is a situational pick. Don't pick him against high single target cc teams. Simple as that. If you one trick a niche pick, you're gonna have a bad time.

Never FF Boy6/24/2017, 5:46:42 PM1 votes

You said pretty much everything, i did a post not so long ago while saying pretty much the same.

But Yi is specially bad at high for many other reason :

  • The meta right now in jungle is early presence, and Yi is not good AT ALL for that. Because now, if you gank early, you have many objectives that will snowball hard the game compare to before. So champ like Lee, Elise ...ect Will always be better at high elo, because they how to snowball early.

  • He is super team reliant, if he is against team with CC/Burst, you can't pick him, unless you're ahead and you can split, if you're force to teamfight against theses comp, you're fucked most of the times because you can't teamfight.

  • People will always wait you to be out of alpha and CC you, even if you dodge something before that, so if their team is coordinate, you can be really good on Yi, you still can't teamfight.

nargnargnarg6/24/2017, 8:13:04 AM1 votes

Instead of buffing the jungle why not change Yi himself? Give him more utlity but lessen his damage.

Maybe give his Q a slow if he hits one Champion and his passive applies a slow too (10% + 1% pr level) for 2 seconds.

If his Q included minions it would be basically impossible to get it ganking a lane.

This would make his early game a bit better b/c he could at least gank early, but make his passive up to 5 basic attacks.

Kazema Jin6/24/2017, 1:24:30 PM1 votes

I think Yi really does have an "early game" problem. I studied a lot of junglepaths to early gang as effective as possible and the biggest advice I can give is to wait for the enemy jungler for an counter gang of you. I lost a lot of Lee Sin vs Yi games because I focused on "outfarming" but you are totally right with the fact that kills bring way to much exp then doing camps. [I had games where the enemy twitch jgl had 6 more kills then me 100 farm less, but 3 levels more.] So I started to predict the gangs so I can countergang. And if you have confidence and patience, also trust in your knowledge about Yi, you can definitely win those games.

And I don't know if you allready know but smite gets more Manareg. on the PBE. Thanks

Casual Dude6/24/2017, 1:39:50 PM1 votes

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Omnem Occido6/24/2017, 3:07:55 PM1 votes

The thing is that he is simple. Not to say mastering him doesn't require skill, but his style is very straightforward. Q when you need to catch/dodge. W to survive burst. Basic Attack. That's largely Yi's gameplay. If they gave him more damage or utility without increasing his learning curve or making him harder to handle, it would make him thoroughly busted in all ELOs.

He might need a rework on an ability or two. Probably his E. Keep the passive if you want, but give his active a little more action, rather than being a boring auto attack buff.

Wildstyle6/24/2017, 3:27:28 AM1 votes

There are so many junglers and champions in general that NEED their ultimate to engage and/or join in on the fight...