Fizz needs to be nerfed!

Hórcrux·Nov 17, 2014·59 votes·7,098 views

Fizz can dodge the most moves given to him. His hops make him untouchable. We just played a game with him he was able to tower hop at lvl 3 and get a kill and still walk out the tower barely touch cause he can just hop out of it dodging the blast. he was able to take on the whole team himself cause his slides and hops does allot of damage and he cant be hurt because he is untouchable in his moves. He is allowed to break free from any team fight if he is low before the team fight. So this dude can like never die. Have you noticed that he is always banned in Draft picks? Maybe play a game with a professional Fizz player and then come tell us the League Community if he needs to be Nerfed! Every patch you never do nothing about the Fizz. If there is anyway that we can end the horror of him please let me know. Take away the fact he cant be touched in him moves maybe. Maybe! We can kill him. Other then that he is too over powered.

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UnidadNov 17, 201427 votes

Remember when vlad pool was nerfed... like 3 times... because invulnerability is too powerful?

Yeah, fizz's troll pole is stronger than Vlad's troll pool EVER was, and I mean that. Shorter CD, more damage, more mobility.

MannysmokerNov 18, 20141 votes

also Vladimir pays 20% hp and a longer cd than Fizz

LlaniteNov 18, 20142 votes

Which also lasts 2.67 times longer while having only 175% higher in CD. 2s /14s CD = 15% up time. Fizz: 0.75s / 8s CD = 9% up time.

Kuroi86Nov 17, 201417 votes

Op, no. Toxic, very much so. His damage isn't anything spectacular. Compare his numbers to any other assassin or many bruisers for that matter and you'll see he's not very spectacular there. The issue is, his kit is toxic. It either does really well and is no fun to play against, or it does shitty and is no fun to play as.

BagoomNov 17, 201414 votes

he doesnt need to be nerfed he needs a rework the only other champ with a free zhonyas is Liss and its her ult fizz has one on a much shorter cool down

WorgslargNov 17, 20145 votes

Vlad?

Zed?

Both can become untargetable.

58304318_DELNov 17, 201413 votes

After playing over 250+ games with Fizz I have to disagree with you. You may feel after trying him for few games like he's OP, but there's more challenge to him than you may think.

People often complain about his Playful/Trickster spell, that it's overpowered and he can escape anytime he want's, while they don't realize that if he uses it for offense, he immediately loses his ticket for safe escape. After that he's pretty easily targetable and without Zhonya's he's pretty much dead. Now if he decides to save that spell for escape, people will complain, how he escaped with it, but won't notice how he lost plenty of damage by not using it. (Now if we look at Zed, he has insane damage, he can be untargetable too, and after his work is done he can escape miles away with a single click.)

Also his early laning is terribly hard against ANY aggressive/poky champion. They can set you behind by 30+ CS, which matters incredibly lot, not speaking of the amount of potions you will have to buy. Unless you have an active jungler, that babysits you early every 3 minutes, it's not going to be easy... Oh, and I almost forgot to mention is immense mana problems. You have to watch his mana pool like on no other champions. Having no mana on him and being not able to cast any spells means a certain death.

I know Fizz with Zhonya's can be troubling, but that doesn't mean HE needs a nerf, but it's the Zhonya's that needs the nerf! There's a reason why that item is used on multiple characters each match. (I'm not going deeper into explaining why is that item overpowered, I'm sure you can figure out by yourself.)

Trickster is the core if his identity, and if they would remove his option to be untargetable and hop around freely, then I don't want to play this game anymore. He's definitely not overpowered, he's just tricky to play against, but once you know him, it's not as hard to counter him as you would think.

DirewolfiezNov 17, 20145 votes

Yeah, Zhonya's needs a nerf. That makes a lot of sense. To balance one champ you nerf an item that multiple champs like Morg and Fiddle need in order to not instantly die while using their ultimates. You keep whining about how everyone in the this thread has no sense of game balance, but you're no better.

58304318_DELNov 17, 20145 votes

Fine, let's argue about Zhonya's then. It's the only item that makes you completely invulnerable to any kind of damage for 2.5s, counter lot of champions out there (many times makes them even completely useless) and completely turns around team battles when used properly.

Doesn't that sound a bit too much for a plain item?

Also, back in the time, when Zhonya's didn't exist, Morgana or Fiddle had to utilize their skills to make a good use of their ults even without that item. And yes, they still did. But they were MEANT to take some risk while using those skills. It wasn't meant for them to go ham in the middle of teamfight and just pop a Zhonya's without a single care.

It's kinda annoying how Zhonya's was designed to "shift from the battle" for a short period of time for most champions, while some champions can still really abuse this item. Like Fizz, Morgana, Fiddle and probably many more...

If for the very least cooldowns would stop while Zhonya's would be activated, then you wouldn't complain about Fizz being broken. So yea, that's all. I'm done.

DirewolfiezNov 17, 20144 votes

I never said that he was broken, just that he's unfun to play against and that he has too much power for how mobile he is. Don't put words in my mouth.

If they ever gut Zhonya's then the champs that rely on it to consistently use their ultimates will need to be buffed or they'll never see play again. You really don't seem to understand just how much of a target an ulting Morg is.

Good, frankly I'm tired of arguing with you.

Sightless66Nov 17, 20146 votes

Doesn't that sound a bit too much for a plain item?

Nope. Sounds like the kind of strength more items should have.

But they were MEANT to take some risk while using those skills. It wasn't meant for them to go ham in the middle of teamfight and just pop a Zhonya's without a single care.

There is risk to using Zhonya's; you lose mobility, meaning people can get out of your range quickly. If you didn't position it well enough, than using Zhonya's just kills any chance you had of doing damage. If you did position well, than good for you, and shame on your enemies for letting you do that. Seems fine.

Remlap1223Nov 17, 20142 votes

I have played my first games with LeBlanc, Zed, and Fizz, and yes, while they are hard to play, it doesn't excuse [Fizz] for having a bloated kit. LeBlanc has a pretty stupid kit as well, but she at least can be targeted. Zed is the easiest of the three, at least for me, and then you have Fizz. Oh boy, do I hate Fizz. Fizz can go soak his head (pun intended). Something on his kit has to go. He should not get AA damage reduction, collision ignore, an AP scaling on his Q on top of 100% AD, Grievous wounds AND a freaking missing health DOT that scales with AP, invulnerability with 2 dashes, and a freaking AOE slow and knockup nuke.

This is why people cry mobility creep, because assassins can do the same thing as AP casters, except better, and they have easy escapes. Fizz is textbook definition bloated kit, and unless SOMETHING (and I'd argue even 2 somethings) in that overcharged kit goes, he will never be balanced.

NarasimhaNov 17, 20143 votes

because assassins can do the same thing as AP casters, except better

Go look at the best wave clearing and sieging champs in the game. Hint: They're not assassins.

SionideCNNov 17, 20141 votes

because assassins can do the same thing as AP casters, except better

Go look at the best wave clearing and sieging champs in the game. Hint: They're not assassins.

uh... yes they are? of the 32 assassins listed by riot

Ahri, Akali, Eve, Fiora, Fizz, Irelia, Jax, Kassadin, Katarina, Kha'zix, LeBlanc, Lee Sin, Malzahar, Master Yi, Nidalee, Nocturne, Pantheon, Poppy, Rengar, Riven, Shaco, Talon, Teemo, Trist, Trynd, Twitch, Vayne, Vi, Xerath, Xin Zhao, Yasuo, Zed.

While I wouldn't agree with a lot of these being assassins (riot's definitions are p bad sometimes for secondary roles) lets look at how many have good waveclear

Ahri:Q, Eve:Q, Fizz:E, Irelia: Q/Ult, Katarina: QW, Khazix:W, Leblanc: W, Malzahar:QWE, Master Yi:Q, Nidalee: Cougar E, Nocturne: Q/Passive, Rengar: W, Riven:Q/W, Talon: W, Twitch:WE, Vi: QE/EE, Xerath: QW, Yasuo:Q, Zed: WE, WQ, Q, E.

An honorable mention. Diana: Passive

Assassins have very good, and in some cases top tier wave clear.

NarasimhaNov 17, 20142 votes

Now compare that to Anivia , , Chogath , Galio , Gragas , Lissandra , Lux , Malzahar , Mordekaiser , Orianna , Ziggs , Zyra , Xerath , Viktor , Velkoz , and Syndra . Its not hard to see which ones win overall. Also Malz and Xerath are primary mages, they belong on my list :P

Also, I said wave clear AND siege. An important combination.

AuryielNov 17, 20143 votes

After playing over 250+ games with Fizz I have to disagree with you. You may feel after trying him for few games like he's OP, but there's more challenge to him than you may think.

People often complain about his Playful/Trickster spell, that it's overpowered and he can escape anytime he want's, while they don't realize that if he uses it for offense, he immediately loses his ticket for safe escape. After that he's pretty easily targetable and without Zhonya's he's pretty much dead. Now if he decides to save that spell for escape, people will complain, how he escaped with it, but won't notice how he lost plenty of damage by not using it. (Now if we look at Zed, he has insane damage, he can be untargetable too, and after his work is done he can escape miles away with a single click.)

Also his early laning is terribly hard against ANY aggressive/poky champion. They can set you behind by 30+ CS, which matters incredibly lot, not speaking of the amount of potions you will have to buy. Unless you have an active jungler, that babysits you early every 3 minutes, it's not going to be easy... Oh, and I almost forgot to mention is immense mana problems. You have to watch his mana pool like on no other champions. Having no mana on him and being not able to cast any spells means a certain death.

I know Fizz with Zhonya's can be troubling, but that doesn't mean HE needs a nerf, but it's the Zhonya's that needs the nerf! There's a reason why that item is used on multiple characters each match. (I'm not going deeper into explaining why is that item overpowered, I'm sure you can figure out by yourself.)

Trickster is the core if his identity, and if they would remove his option to be untargetable and hop around freely, then I don't want to play this game anymore. He's definitely not overpowered, he's just tricky to play against, but once you know him, it's not as hard to counter him as you would think.

Funny thing about AP assassin players like yourself who claim that Zhonya's is OP and not the combination of certain champs and Zhonya's : You forget about ALL the champions for who Zhonya's is NOT a problem. They VASTLY outnumber the champions who actually abuse Zhonya's active, but yeah let's go ahead and nerf every single mage because those 3 assassins use it too well.

You say CDs should be stopped while Zhonya's is active. I say Riot should stop being lazy shits and make SPECIAL CASES. Yes, yes, yada yada burden of knowledge, cry me a fucking river and then let's consider making Fizz's Q and E CDs not tick while in Zhonya's. Not just Fizz, but he would be a prime target for that treatment.

DalxyonNov 17, 20149 votes

He should definitely be nerfed. Last game I played was ridiculous. I was Kha'Zix and he just destroyed me. I was level 18 and he was 14. I had full build and he was able to dodge half of my abilities using his hops and slides. Please nerf him. Get rid of the hop at least...

DirewolfiezNov 17, 20149 votes

But then people might stop playing assassins every game, and the LCS is boring without flashy, highly mobile assassins. [sarcasm]

UltimateCryBabyNov 17, 20142 votes

But then people might stop playing assassins every game, and the LCS is boring without flashy, highly mobile assassins. [sarcasm]

leave that the invulnerability is too op and its cd is too short

VinciusNov 17, 20145 votes

Invulnerability at the cost of his skills damage output if used to get out of a fight.

FeathermaneNov 17, 20146 votes

Fizz is hardly played professionally and when he is, he doesn't outperform other picks.

58304318_DELNov 17, 201413 votes

Lol, you must be really incompetent then, if you got destroyed by a champion that's 4 levels under you and you had a full build (noone knows what build though and what was your HP). The fact he managed to dodge most of your spells is his skill, you got simply outplayed. I'm sure if you could reverse time and fight against him in the same situation again, you would surely manage your spell order and targeting differently and probably defeat him in the end.

Also please... Calling for a nerf because of a single situation that happened to you? If you were the game manager you would ruin this game to ashes...

Earl EulrichNov 17, 201414 votes

kinda ironic...the only thing Fizz is able to dodge from Kha is the w - and you surely don´t need to hit the w in a duel when you´re 4lvls ahead. Khas dmg in Duels is 90% his q+AAs, and no Fizz will ever dodge that. So you just must have missplayed incredible hard (or built ap?).

FeathermaneNov 17, 20147 votes

You are a fat liar. No way to get a four level advantage and sounds like you got hella outplayed to boot. How this is relevant to a champion's balance is mystifying.

ForkedwizardNov 17, 20149 votes

If you take away fizz's pole, you need to take all other untouchable "op" skills out as well,

Yasuo wall Barum shield Liss Ult Zhonya's hourglass

You can't take what defines a character away from them.

Killer X 12Nov 17, 20147 votes

Yasuo wall only blocks ranged shit, and you can walk around it. Braum shield only blocks one attack then reduces damage, and again you can walk around it. Liss ult...is an ult. Has a CD more than 7times as long as Fizz's pole.

Fine, let him keep his E, take the damage off it. Then i'd be fine. He shouldnt' get to dodge everything AND do damage on a 10 sec cd when LIss has to wait 2 mins to do the same thing. lol

Black Star 1299Nov 17, 20146 votes

I really think they need to nerf that damage on his e and his q, the utility spells... He has so much mobility with those two spells, and the invulnerability first, and insane damage afterwards is just too much for one ability...

I mean, Riot says that if one champion has too much of one thing, they need to take out the other part, for Kalista that meant damage (What Riot says). Riven too was nerfed for having too much damage for so much utility, along with khazix's w, quinn's vault has horrible damage for the utility it gives (alot of other examples) so why not fizz?

His e should be a utility spell for escapes or engages, not a damage source. It's just too much for one ability.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 17, 20144 votes

quinn's vault has horrible damage for the utility it gives

er, it's kinda the other way around. It procs her passive, which is where most of her damage is from, and isn't the most reliable escape, if counted as one at all

SpecterVonBarenNov 17, 20143 votes

I really think they need to nerf that damage on his e and his q, the utility spells... He has so much mobility with those two spells, and the invulnerability first, and insane damage afterwards is just too much for one ability...

I mean, Riot says that if one champion has too much of one thing, they need to take out the other part, for Kalista that meant damage (What Riot says). Riven too was nerfed for having too much damage for so much utility, along with khazix's w, quinn's vault has horrible damage for the utility it gives (alot of other examples) so why not fizz?

His e should be a utility spell for escapes or engages, not a damage source. It's just too much for one ability.

I actually once read a post from someone saying you don't want Fizz's E to not do damage, because then his other abilities would get buffed to compensate for the loss of power, and having some of his damage tied to his escape tool helps force the Fizz player to make a choice between saving it for an escape or using it to damage his opponent.

AloneInTheCrowdNov 17, 20146 votes

Fizz can dodge the most moves given to him. His hops make him untouchable. We just played a game with him he was able to tower hop at lvl 3 and get a kill and still walk out the tower barely touch cause he can just hop out of it dodging the blast. he was able to take on the whole team himself cause his slides and hops does allot of damage and he cant be hurt because he is untouchable in his moves. He is allowed to break free from any team fight if he is low before the team fight. So this dude can like never die. Have you noticed that he is always banned in Draft picks? Maybe play a game with a professional Fizz player and then come tell us the League Community if he needs to be Nerfed! Every patch you never do nothing about the Fizz. If there is anyway that we can end the horror of him please let me know. Take away the fact he cant be touched in him moves maybe. Maybe! We can kill him. Other then that he is too over powered.

Fizz Not going to happen , l2p .

DirewolfiezNov 17, 20145 votes

Remember when Morello said that Riot is trying to make champions lose some of their power in exchange for extreme mobility? xD

If he nerfs LeBlanc and Fizz, I'll believe him.

58304318_DELNov 17, 20146 votes

Are you seriously that blind? Fizz DOES lose his power in exchange for mobility. If Fizz decides to safely escape with his e, he already lost the "power" of that spell for offence. Or other way around - if he uses that spell for offence, he sacrificed his mobility and safe escape.

There's a choice for the player.

Rather pay attention to item like Zhonya's, that may actually be OP. Not the champion by himself.

DirewolfiezNov 17, 20141 votes

Are you seriously that ignorant? They were talking about the overall power budget of the kit, not using skills in particular orders.

58304318_DELNov 17, 20144 votes

But you can't judge if you look only on the overall "power budget". Making him weaker would make him useless.

He's meant to burst, he has to burst or he's out.

DirewolfiezNov 17, 20142 votes

Last time I checked, getting to be invulnerable for 0.75 seconds has absolutely nothing to do with bursting, and other burst assassins to perfectly fine without having invulnerability built into their kits.

Also, you're saying that Riot is wrong in how they judge the overall strengths of their characters. You're obviously far more knowledgeable about LoL than the people that made it.

NarasimhaNov 17, 20146 votes

Actually, most other burst assassins do have a strong wave of avoiding damage. Yi goes untargetable, same for zed. Akali, Shaco, and Talon goes invis. Also, Fizz doesn't go invulnerable. Tethers and DoTs still affect him.

GLWuffieNov 17, 20145 votes

I posted this is a topic before, and it may be my copy/paste for all the repeat cries for a Fizz nerf:

People continually fail to realize that Fizz is a Fighter/Assassin that uses mostly AP ratios and mana. His only ranged ability is his ult, other than that he has to be in melee range, or in Q range (which brings him to melee range). Also to note before I go on is that he has to wait 0.5 seconds before using Playful/Trickster (E) after using Urchin Strike (Q). This means if Fizz decides to try and use E to escape after a burst/poke attempt, you should have time to hard CC him and burst him yourself if you're playing a mage mid.

Weaknesses:

Melee - Ranged characters can harass/bully him in late especially early game.
Assassin - Usually meaning going all-burst, and USUALLY means sacrificing sustain/health for damage (in other words, he's squishy).
AP Ratios - Aside from Q, if he's building AP, build MR. If he can't all-out burst you, Fizz is usually in trouble.
Mana - Unlike some other assassins, he uses mana. He cannot spam his "safe" escape due to this effective limiter on it. If he builds a mana item, he loses potential burst damage.
No Sustain - Unless he builds AD (sacrificing his W/E/R and half of his Q damage) or Spell Vamp (sacrificing his damage potential), he has a hard time staying in lane if he gets hurt. This goes the same for his mana consumption, unless he's gonna sacrifice damage he's gonna have a problem with mana (blue buff is a temporary solution though).

Strengths:

Mobile - Lack of range for an AP/mana champ, he needs to get in/around somehow.
Bursty - ...for squishy/low hp champs.
Playful/Trickster - One of his only saving graces and without it, very few would play him. The intargetability is invaluable to him... so what would happen if it was nerfed? First off he's only able to push objectives because of this ability. He's not ranged so he has to be up close to fight the tower, he's squishy so he can only take a few hits, and unless he has Lich Bane and procing it's passive (or building AD), he's not gonna be doing too much damage to the tower anyways. As for dodging spells, a few are a bit questionable like 's ult (mainly the lock on), but once again this comes with being melee/squishy/non-sustainable. People asking for a longer cooldown as well sometimes forget that mana is still a thing. The more you can bait the sucker to P/T, the less he can do to you since he has much less mana. Lastly, it's his best waveclear he has, and not to mention it doesn't dodge EVERYTHING (DOTs/AOEs still apply).

Final Notes for now:

If you're playing a squishy champ (ADCs/Mages for example), Fizz is supposed to be able to delete you.
If you're ranged or have any ranged abilities, you should be able to safely bully Fizz.
If you're directly going against a Fizz as a mage, consider building /. This will not only help you sustain, but it can help bully the lil aquatic creature.
If you're otherwise tanky, you should be able to shrug off his damage.
Fizz is always looking for an opportunity to engage, so be careful after you use an ability and keep an eye on your resources/mana.

~GL

DirewolfiezNov 17, 20141 votes

If you're playing a squishy champ (ADCs/Mages for example), Fizz is supposed to be able to delete you. If you're ranged or have any ranged abilities, you should be able to safely bully Fizz.

What, so only tanky ranged champs have any hope of killing him? Yeah, that's fun.

The only champ I've seen delete him with ease is LB, and that was when she still had her silence.

GLWuffieNov 17, 20143 votes

It all depends on how you approach it. A common lane enemy for me is Zed, and that's a skill matchup. Zed should really win lane because he has sustainability and poke that Fizz doesn't. Zed can bully Fizz throwing shadows and shurikens, only having to wait for his energy to replenish and the cooldown to finish. He saves gold by not having to buy mana pots, and usually builds AD and life steal to have even MORE sustainability. Fizz has mana, it goes down fast and can get bullied out easily and poked down.

How about Ahri perhaps? She CAN bully fizz, but unlike Zed, she has her own mana to worry about. A smart Ahri player will try and bully/poke Fizz with AAs and maybe use her orb to waveclear. If Fizz decides to go in, charm him, because if he uses his Q to engage, you have a short window to charm him before he can P/T away.

Other champs that can be a bother for Fizz are champs such as Orianna, Ryze, Annie, Brand, Malzahar, Fiddlesticks... just to name a potential few. It's just how to approach the match up.

I seriously love how people downvoted my response when I'm giving clear advice on how to approach the situation. If Fizz was seriously that broken, I should see a MUCH higher ratio of wins for him. I'd face a Fizz than say, a Zed or Akali, any day. He's got major weaknesses, but many fail to exploit that because they think they can approach the champ like any other mid.

~GL

-ps: @Direwolfiez, even you missed the point. Tanks can SURVIVE his damage, but almost anyone can take Fizz out. Once again, he's an assassin and if you build nothing with health, MR, and/or armor, he's meant to kill you easily (ADCs/Burst Mages). He picks out the easiest/lowest armored targets and is supposed to kill you and get out if possible. But even an ADC/Burst Mage can kill Fizz easily if played correctly and safely.

Envy SinNov 17, 20145 votes

OR, wait, OR you can learn to counterplay. Perhaps try ryze. his cooldowns are wayy shorter then Fizz who would only be able to dodge one combo every 9 seconds? fizz players correct me if i'm wrong. Ryze > Fizz Early, and late ryze wins. The only time he has a hard time in this lane is mid game.

PikmintsNov 17, 20142 votes

Think you may have meant counterpick rather than counterplay.

Envy SinNov 17, 20144 votes

The point is, NOBODY was bitching about fizz until some pro played him. Fizz is fine, People cry about him to much. You want to see a mobile champ? check out lee. 2 dashs with half the CD of fizzs

Remlap1223Nov 18, 20142 votes

The point is, NOBODY was bitching about fizz until some pro played him.

Uh, no, I wanted Fizz nerfed since I played my first match against him.

You want to see a mobile champ? check out lee. 2 dashs with half the CD of fizzs

And while Lee is a big ol bag of bullshit too, he's nowhere near Fizz levels. Lee doesn't get autoattack damage reduction for a passive and then have his bread and butter ability give him invulnerability. At least Lee doesn't carry, he stays as good as he is early game, and then stays there, so if he doesn't completely fuck your team up, you can bounce back. Fizz is a "carry", so basically once he gets fed, or roams bot and uses the enemy carry as chum, Fizz gets to troll pole to victory. It's bullshit feast and famine with a tall glass of only counterplay is another champ that's stupidly powerful Ryze . Skillshot CC? Good luck with that.

VinciusNov 17, 20145 votes

His hops make him untouchable

But then he loses the damage from a skill.

We just played a game with him he was able to tower hop at lvl 3 and get a kill and still walk out the tower barely touch cause he can just hop out of it dodging the blast.

That means he only Q'd and aa'ed you once, you were most probably very low on health.

Maybe play a game with a professional Fizz player and then come tell us the League Community if he needs to be Nerfed!

Play a game with a professional player with any given assassin and you are gonna have a hard time. That's what all assassin do focus a squishy target, burst it one shot, then walks out, fizz got troll pole, lebalnc got double teleport, ahri got triple dash, zed got infinite swaps.

Fizz has to melee farm, he has to jump at the heart of teamfight, he requires a lot of skills to be played vs good players and has high mechanics, but it is worth it when you are good with him.

Earl EulrichNov 17, 20144 votes

The only nerf Fizz could maybe use is making his q not proccing "on-hits" anymore, so he absolutely has to do at least 1 AA after he qs someone before e-ing away, thus granting more time to react. But in all seriousness...he´s a reasonable balanced Champ with many exploitable weaknesses.

doubleguacNov 17, 20144 votes

Fizz has honestly been pretty overwhelming for a while now. His damage is absurdly high, and, while he's theoretically high risk due to his melee range, he ends up being extremely hard to focus in team fights. Once he has some CDR and a zhonyas, he can be totally invulnerable for a ridiculous portion of a team fight.

In my opinion, the CD on his hop should be slightly increased. And his ult should either -A: no longer slow -B: have its AP ratio reduced

HayaishiNov 17, 20142 votes

He needs to be gutted until rework like Olaf was.

MattAkhavanNov 18, 20142 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w

Everyone should probably watch this because most of the champions people rave about being overpowered are usually only good when the champion as been mastered or played at a really high level. If you aren't amazing when you master a champion that means the champion isn't up to par.

scotticornNov 18, 20141 votes

Fizz lanes kind of stress me out. They can snowball off of one death even if you're bullying the heck out of them.

One thing I've learned this season was running exhaust when facing a burst champion with no stun lowers their kill potential on me considerably. This goes for Zed, Fizz, Ahri, Kat, and Talon to name a few.

I don't think Fizz needs a nerf as a result. I think people need to learn how to strategize against their lane opponents instead.

FattyDrakeNov 18, 20142 votes

Fizz lanes kind of stress me out. They can snowball off of one death even if you're bullying the heck out of them.

One thing I've learned this season was running exhaust when facing a burst champion with no stun lowers their kill potential on me considerably. This goes for Zed, Fizz, Ahri, Kat, and Talon to name a few.

I don't think Fizz needs a nerf as a result. I think people need to learn how to strategize against their lane opponents instead.

Speaking as someone who loves to play Fizz, I really don't like laneing against him.

But when I do, I choose one of two options. Lately I've been picking Xerath. I know, I know, assassins are supposed to dump on Xerath, but you can stay a far way away from Fizz's Q range, so you force him to use his E as a gap-closer instead of escape. And if he does, you can stun him. Orianna also works well against Fizz. On both champs you're rushing Chalice so you get some added MR.

Or you can pick a champ that's slightly tanky and builds MR as part of their core build (such as Abyssal Scepter.) Diana is good. I sometimes even pick Rumble, personally.