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Fizz needs to be nerfed!

Hórcrux·11/17/2014, 5:22:13 AM·59 votes·7,098 views

Fizz can dodge the most moves given to him. His hops make him untouchable. We just played a game with him he was able to tower hop at lvl 3 and get a kill and still walk out the tower barely touch cause he can just hop out of it dodging the blast. he was able to take on the whole team himself cause his slides and hops does allot of damage and he cant be hurt because he is untouchable in his moves. He is allowed to break free from any team fight if he is low before the team fight. So this dude can like never die. Have you noticed that he is always banned in Draft picks? Maybe play a game with a professional Fizz player and then come tell us the League Community if he needs to be Nerfed! Every patch you never do nothing about the Fizz. If there is anyway that we can end the horror of him please let me know. Take away the fact he cant be touched in him moves maybe. Maybe! We can kill him. Other then that he is too over powered.

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Unidad11/17/2014, 6:39:14 AM27 votes

Remember when vlad pool was nerfed... like 3 times... because invulnerability is too powerful?

Yeah, fizz's troll pole is stronger than Vlad's troll pool EVER was, and I mean that. Shorter CD, more damage, more mobility.

Kuroi8611/17/2014, 7:10:54 AM17 votes

Op, no. Toxic, very much so. His damage isn't anything spectacular. Compare his numbers to any other assassin or many bruisers for that matter and you'll see he's not very spectacular there. The issue is, his kit is toxic. It either does really well and is no fun to play against, or it does shitty and is no fun to play as.

Bagoom11/17/2014, 6:18:16 AM14 votes

he doesnt need to be nerfed he needs a rework the only other champ with a free zhonyas is Liss and its her ult fizz has one on a much shorter cool down

58304318_DEL11/17/2014, 10:18:18 AM13 votes

After playing over 250+ games with Fizz I have to disagree with you. You may feel after trying him for few games like he's OP, but there's more challenge to him than you may think.

People often complain about his Playful/Trickster spell, that it's overpowered and he can escape anytime he want's, while they don't realize that if he uses it for offense, he immediately loses his ticket for safe escape. After that he's pretty easily targetable and without Zhonya's he's pretty much dead. Now if he decides to save that spell for escape, people will complain, how he escaped with it, but won't notice how he lost plenty of damage by not using it. (Now if we look at Zed, he has insane damage, he can be untargetable too, and after his work is done he can escape miles away with a single click.)

Also his early laning is terribly hard against ANY aggressive/poky champion. They can set you behind by 30+ CS, which matters incredibly lot, not speaking of the amount of potions you will have to buy. Unless you have an active jungler, that babysits you early every 3 minutes, it's not going to be easy... Oh, and I almost forgot to mention is immense mana problems. You have to watch his mana pool like on no other champions. Having no mana on him and being not able to cast any spells means a certain death.

I know Fizz with Zhonya's can be troubling, but that doesn't mean HE needs a nerf, but it's the Zhonya's that needs the nerf! There's a reason why that item is used on multiple characters each match. (I'm not going deeper into explaining why is that item overpowered, I'm sure you can figure out by yourself.)

Trickster is the core if his identity, and if they would remove his option to be untargetable and hop around freely, then I don't want to play this game anymore. He's definitely not overpowered, he's just tricky to play against, but once you know him, it's not as hard to counter him as you would think.

Dalxyon11/17/2014, 5:25:13 AM9 votes

He should definitely be nerfed. Last game I played was ridiculous. I was Kha'Zix and he just destroyed me. I was level 18 and he was 14. I had full build and he was able to dodge half of my abilities using his hops and slides. Please nerf him. Get rid of the hop at least...

Forkedwizard11/17/2014, 6:32:54 AM9 votes

If you take away fizz's pole, you need to take all other untouchable "op" skills out as well,

Yasuo wall Barum shield Liss Ult Zhonya's hourglass

You can't take what defines a character away from them.

Black Star 129911/17/2014, 6:47:08 AM6 votes

I really think they need to nerf that damage on his e and his q, the utility spells... He has so much mobility with those two spells, and the invulnerability first, and insane damage afterwards is just too much for one ability...

I mean, Riot says that if one champion has too much of one thing, they need to take out the other part, for Kalista that meant damage (What Riot says). Riven too was nerfed for having too much damage for so much utility, along with khazix's w, quinn's vault has horrible damage for the utility it gives (alot of other examples) so why not fizz?

His e should be a utility spell for escapes or engages, not a damage source. It's just too much for one ability.

AloneInTheCrowd11/17/2014, 11:47:17 AM6 votes

Fizz can dodge the most moves given to him. His hops make him untouchable. We just played a game with him he was able to tower hop at lvl 3 and get a kill and still walk out the tower barely touch cause he can just hop out of it dodging the blast. he was able to take on the whole team himself cause his slides and hops does allot of damage and he cant be hurt because he is untouchable in his moves. He is allowed to break free from any team fight if he is low before the team fight. So this dude can like never die. Have you noticed that he is always banned in Draft picks? Maybe play a game with a professional Fizz player and then come tell us the League Community if he needs to be Nerfed! Every patch you never do nothing about the Fizz. If there is anyway that we can end the horror of him please let me know. Take away the fact he cant be touched in him moves maybe. Maybe! We can kill him. Other then that he is too over powered.

Fizz Not going to happen , l2p .

Direwolfiez11/17/2014, 6:56:44 AM5 votes

Remember when Morello said that Riot is trying to make champions lose some of their power in exchange for extreme mobility? xD

If he nerfs LeBlanc and Fizz, I'll believe him.

GLWuffie11/17/2014, 9:05:30 AM5 votes

I posted this is a topic before, and it may be my copy/paste for all the repeat cries for a Fizz nerf:

People continually fail to realize that Fizz is a Fighter/Assassin that uses mostly AP ratios and mana. His only ranged ability is his ult, other than that he has to be in melee range, or in Q range (which brings him to melee range). Also to note before I go on is that he has to wait 0.5 seconds before using Playful/Trickster (E) after using Urchin Strike (Q). This means if Fizz decides to try and use E to escape after a burst/poke attempt, you should have time to hard CC him and burst him yourself if you're playing a mage mid.

Weaknesses:

Melee - Ranged characters can harass/bully him in late especially early game.
Assassin - Usually meaning going all-burst, and USUALLY means sacrificing sustain/health for damage (in other words, he's squishy).
AP Ratios - Aside from Q, if he's building AP, build MR. If he can't all-out burst you, Fizz is usually in trouble.
Mana - Unlike some other assassins, he uses mana. He cannot spam his "safe" escape due to this effective limiter on it. If he builds a mana item, he loses potential burst damage.
No Sustain - Unless he builds AD (sacrificing his W/E/R and half of his Q damage) or Spell Vamp (sacrificing his damage potential), he has a hard time staying in lane if he gets hurt. This goes the same for his mana consumption, unless he's gonna sacrifice damage he's gonna have a problem with mana (blue buff is a temporary solution though).

Strengths:

Mobile - Lack of range for an AP/mana champ, he needs to get in/around somehow.
Bursty - ...for squishy/low hp champs.
Playful/Trickster - One of his only saving graces and without it, very few would play him. The intargetability is invaluable to him... so what would happen if it was nerfed? First off he's only able to push objectives because of this ability. He's not ranged so he has to be up close to fight the tower, he's squishy so he can only take a few hits, and unless he has Lich Bane and procing it's passive (or building AD), he's not gonna be doing too much damage to the tower anyways. As for dodging spells, a few are a bit questionable like 's ult (mainly the lock on), but once again this comes with being melee/squishy/non-sustainable. People asking for a longer cooldown as well sometimes forget that mana is still a thing. The more you can bait the sucker to P/T, the less he can do to you since he has much less mana. Lastly, it's his best waveclear he has, and not to mention it doesn't dodge EVERYTHING (DOTs/AOEs still apply).

Final Notes for now:

If you're playing a squishy champ (ADCs/Mages for example), Fizz is supposed to be able to delete you.
If you're ranged or have any ranged abilities, you should be able to safely bully Fizz.
If you're directly going against a Fizz as a mage, consider building /. This will not only help you sustain, but it can help bully the lil aquatic creature.
If you're otherwise tanky, you should be able to shrug off his damage.
Fizz is always looking for an opportunity to engage, so be careful after you use an ability and keep an eye on your resources/mana.

~GL

Envy Sin11/17/2014, 1:45:03 PM5 votes

OR, wait, OR you can learn to counterplay. Perhaps try ryze. his cooldowns are wayy shorter then Fizz who would only be able to dodge one combo every 9 seconds? fizz players correct me if i'm wrong. Ryze > Fizz Early, and late ryze wins. The only time he has a hard time in this lane is mid game.

Vincius11/17/2014, 4:25:39 PM5 votes

His hops make him untouchable

But then he loses the damage from a skill.

We just played a game with him he was able to tower hop at lvl 3 and get a kill and still walk out the tower barely touch cause he can just hop out of it dodging the blast.

That means he only Q'd and aa'ed you once, you were most probably very low on health.

Maybe play a game with a professional Fizz player and then come tell us the League Community if he needs to be Nerfed!

Play a game with a professional player with any given assassin and you are gonna have a hard time. That's what all assassin do focus a squishy target, burst it one shot, then walks out, fizz got troll pole, lebalnc got double teleport, ahri got triple dash, zed got infinite swaps.

Fizz has to melee farm, he has to jump at the heart of teamfight, he requires a lot of skills to be played vs good players and has high mechanics, but it is worth it when you are good with him.

doubleguac11/17/2014, 7:42:28 PM4 votes

Fizz has honestly been pretty overwhelming for a while now. His damage is absurdly high, and, while he's theoretically high risk due to his melee range, he ends up being extremely hard to focus in team fights. Once he has some CDR and a zhonyas, he can be totally invulnerable for a ridiculous portion of a team fight.

In my opinion, the CD on his hop should be slightly increased. And his ult should either -A: no longer slow -B: have its AP ratio reduced

Earl Eulrich11/17/2014, 12:52:24 PM4 votes

The only nerf Fizz could maybe use is making his q not proccing "on-hits" anymore, so he absolutely has to do at least 1 AA after he qs someone before e-ing away, thus granting more time to react. But in all seriousness...he´s a reasonable balanced Champ with many exploitable weaknesses.

MattAkhavan11/18/2014, 9:02:33 AM2 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w

Everyone should probably watch this because most of the champions people rave about being overpowered are usually only good when the champion as been mastered or played at a really high level. If you aren't amazing when you master a champion that means the champion isn't up to par.

Hayaishi11/17/2014, 11:56:57 PM2 votes

He needs to be gutted until rework like Olaf was.

scotticorn11/18/2014, 7:45:46 AM1 votes

Fizz lanes kind of stress me out. They can snowball off of one death even if you're bullying the heck out of them.

One thing I've learned this season was running exhaust when facing a burst champion with no stun lowers their kill potential on me considerably. This goes for Zed, Fizz, Ahri, Kat, and Talon to name a few.

I don't think Fizz needs a nerf as a result. I think people need to learn how to strategize against their lane opponents instead.