Mordekaiser is not a fair and balanced champion

Crashyy·12/17/2019, 2:32:11 PM·20 votes·10,276 views

I've faced this champion a lot of times and I cannot find a way to be even with him, not even win against him, I just can't. You can't fight him, he out heals you're damage, has brutal shield, no mana costs, low cd abilities, you can't really get a gank because he'll ult one of you or just simply pull you away.

Like what do you do?!

Same in team fights...after you finish the absolute hell in laning phase, you can't even do much to stop him in team fights cause he just presses R on someone and melts them.

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Pyrosan12/17/2019, 2:48:43 PM10 votes

Q + E are skillshots, dodge them

R you can QSS - if you don't have QSS you can just walk around until it's over, additionally you could pick GP who can cleanse it with his W.

W is a self-shield which since you're going against Morde you're taking grevious wounds anyway, can't convert as easily into sustain as he'd like

Mord's only strong if you allow him to be, same with people who complain about illaoi being busted op, just walk away 4head

spookdegrace12/17/2019, 8:27:45 PM9 votes

I think he's in a pretty balanced spot honestly, and needs neither nerfs nor buffs. He requires items to be strong and several solo kills in lane to truly carry. He's extremely easy to gank pre-6 and has no way to escape unless you use E as a disengage. I think he has a lot of trouble into lanes with Aklali and Aatrox, and into a good quinn or kennen he gets annihilated. If he misses his E he basically can't fight since it is on such a long cooldown, and he doesn't build any CDR until his 3rd item at the absolute earliest so I think it's disingenuous for anyone to say he can just spam his abilties, especially early. And Conqueror is not absolutely broken on him. In my ~~best~~ morde games I am only healing around 1-1.2k with conqueror. It gives AP yes but it is mostly a healing rune. His ult is game-changing especially in team-fights, since u can ult their carry or strongest champ while your team hopefully cleans up, but even this can be countered with an item. Yes, he is annoying when he gets ahead because it is basically impossible to kill him unless he misses all his abilities, but the same can be said with most champs in the game. if u cc him and get two people on his he's toast.

lolipopevelynn12/17/2019, 8:33:19 PM4 votes

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I've faced this champion a lot of times and I cannot find a way to be even with him, not even win against him, I just can't. You can't fight him, he out heals you're damage, has brutal shield, no mana costs, low cd abilities, you can't really get a gank because he'll ult one of you or just simply pull you away.

Like what do you do?!

Same in team fights...after you finish the absolute hell in laning phase, you can't even do much to stop him in team fights cause he just presses R on someone and melts them.

People dont understand how hard QSS counters morde. doesnt matter what you are playing, just buy QSS... Not buying it is stupid because simply sitting on that item means Morde does now have a R... Without his R morde actually loses to alot of other brusiers/range because he cant steal your stats.

Famous Gay Actor12/17/2019, 9:29:47 PM4 votes

Pick a bruiser who can stand toe-to-toe with him (even in the Death Realm) - i.e. Darius, Renekton, Nasus, Illaoi are some good options. Ranged does marginally well pre-6 because they can kite him but after 6, their ability to kite is limited by the Death Realm.
Pick up QSS. Yes, you heard me correctly. You can QSS Mordekaiser's ultimate. It is a debuff to you on cast, and QSS can cleanse it. (Other examples of ways to cleanse Mordekaiser ult are Olaf R and Gangplank W.) I know people don't like building QSS but it nullifies his R.

You have options, it just sucks to use them. But yeah, he's strong, but not broken.

OneMustFall12/17/2019, 7:15:18 PM4 votes

Conqueror is not a fair and balanced rune. Morde's strength comes from getting free healing and a ton of AP from this rune, which is insanely easy to stack.

Gentlemân12/17/2019, 5:29:20 PM3 votes

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I've faced this champion a lot of times and I cannot find a way to be even with him, not even win against him, I just can't. You can't fight him, he out heals you're damage, has brutal shield, no mana costs, low cd abilities, you can't really get a gank because he'll ult one of you or just simply pull you away.

Like what do you do?!

Same in team fights...after you finish the absolute hell in laning phase, you can't even do much to stop him in team fights cause he just presses R on someone and melts them.

LOL have u ever faced Tundle??? and morde is OP XD he can take your stats and destroy your ass while morde just take base stats

DarwinTheory12/17/2019, 6:33:01 PM3 votes

You know what pisses me off about Mordekaiser.....

This.....

Lane phase starts. He's vulnerable but like all morde's any Q harass forces the minion wave meaning you can farm under tower.

Your jungler ignores him under your tower. So you farm up.

Morde hits 6.

Your jungler ganks. Gets ulted. Dies. Feeds him.

What......the actual fuck!!!!!!!!?????

And this happens in around 80% of the morde games I play when I don't build damage and farm for mid/late game.

I can handle morde. I can play safe. The problem is teams that don't shut him down early then he goes on a killing spree until the game ends no matter how well I do Vs him in lane.

It's the very definition of tiltingly unwinnable matches.

Hay5eed12/18/2019, 3:21:45 AM2 votes

If you can dodge his E then you're pretty good

l love Ahri12/17/2019, 11:46:14 PM2 votes

Think of him as Darius; you cant fight him for too long.

Amazingly Savage12/19/2019, 6:23:09 AM1 votes

I play Fiora against him. From there you just need to dodge his abilities, and not fight in his passive. Poke him to half health or so, hit a vital, pop Grand Challenge and shred him all in. If he ults you, dodge his Q, Riposte his E t stun him and use Q to evade. If he ults you when you have a few kills on him, it's a real "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me" moment.

Lovelle12/17/2019, 5:46:09 PM1 votes

New Morde was the number one 3v3 godstomper before the map was removed. I'm glad SR is finally realizing how bullshit he is.

zalesak112/17/2019, 7:31:14 PM1 votes

His ring of death passive. Remove that atleast please reeyot

Terrorist581212/17/2019, 10:58:18 PM1 votes

You know morde is busted because of the new conqueror right? If he was an AD champ with the conqueror changes he wouldn't be clapping ur health bar. Adaptive "force".

ACatIsFineToo12/17/2019, 11:13:54 PM1 votes

Yeah, Mordekaiser is OP at the moment. I wouldn't say he is extremely OP, but he does need to be tuned down a little. Its not a secret up in the plat/master/challenger players. I see them discussing it on streams and videos all the time.

I agree with hashinshin, who stated that to fix morde, change his passive from 3 hits to 4 hits to create his Darkness Rise (Aoe of death). This would stop mordekaiser from being able to hit you with E + Q + auto attack and create it.

Yes, you could always dodge those, but while your dodging those he is just auto attacking you and creating the AOE within the same time frame. And its not like he loses a lot of damage because he has 40% AP scaling on his auto attacks.

A simple conversion to 4 hits would give you an extra second in a death fight with him, saving you a little valuable HP, or possibly get out without it triggering, which rarely happens atm.

Raid Boss Morde12/18/2019, 6:12:54 AM1 votes

Low cd abilities? Are you playing League of Legends, because all of his abilities have high cooldowns except his Q at max rank, especially compared to other champs because he can't build CDR effectively. He also has no in-combat healing, so how is he out healing your damage? Unless you mean Conqueror, then yeah, that's the rune being busted after going from 8% healing -> 15%

Flawless Fetus12/18/2019, 8:09:47 AM1 votes

He doesn't have low cd skills and his heal isn't that big, especially in laning phase - it's almost always maxed last.

Asherenyx12/18/2019, 9:51:06 AM1 votes

Slightly ping dependent. Q and E don't hit nearly as often on low ping, they're very telegraphed. But most people don't play with under 15 ping, so it's reasonable to assume we have no need to think on that yet. A lot of his winrate rising I feel is attributed also to how the jungler can't really stop him anymore considering their exp and gold nerfs-- it's a free kill with him pressing R during the gank. There's also new Conqueror giving him good consistency and sustainability.

However, he can still be beaten early, the win rates themselves are inflation of how there isn't enough to prevent him from scaling due to the jungler being incapable of actually stopping him, and Morde not being weak enough (or other champions not strong enough) to actually flat kill him rather than winning trades and making him sit back. The combination of multiple things have him sitting atop his throne, and they aren't necessarily that glaring because the meta can shift at anytime and he can start dropping. Other champions certainly need to be looked at first far before Mordekaiser, and so does the Jungle.

Stephenizgod12/18/2019, 9:57:29 AM1 votes

Kled

Ye Morde is overtuned and Conqueror is a stupid ass rune, but Kled is just as bad as Morde and even beats Morde in lane.