As a Nasus player, I admit that he can be frustrating to play against

Carcinogenesis·11/28/2015, 3:37:33 AM·9 votes·2,162 views

This isn't another "QQ Nasus too op how do I stop him thread." There are hundreds, maybe a thousand of those, and they all get responses along the lines of "deny him farm, roam, camp him, kite him, etc." This is about why he frustrates people even when they know his counterplay.

What I think makes Nasus frustrating overall is that, while he does have very defined counterplay, you can't beat him in the same way that you beat other champions. He's really, really hard to "win lane" against. His 1v1 ability outscales pretty much everyone in the game, and his midgame power spike is so enormous that it can often overcome some pretty massive CS discrepancies he may have suffered.

There are people that don't mind that about Nasus because he's weak in other areas, but some people still can't seem to handle him even when they're told what his weakness is. I think more than anything else, Nasus destroys certain types of players: those who like to stay in lane until they get fed, and those who play passively and wait for an opportunity.

Frankly put, very, very few champions (Pantheon, Darius, the occassional Riven) have actual kill pressure against an experienced Nasus player. You can harrass him all you want, but most of the time he'll just outlast your mana pool with his sustain, and if it's too much, he'll just back and TP to tower. Even if you're a lane bully, he'll probably eat one or two combos just so the lane pushes, and he'll take whatever farm he can get under tower. Once he gets level 6-9 and some resistances, he'll beat your ass with half your CS if you try to fight him. Even then, he'll rarely extend and risk getting ganks until he can basically 1v2.

Your best hope of getting a kill is an early dive with your jungler or a cheese lane gank, which is unreliable. Most of the time, all you can do is try to harrass him out of lane and delay him. If he gets a kill on you through a gank, trying to deny him farm is pointless because he'll probably just outtrade you with 20 mana. His early game might be passive, but let me be clear: Laning Phase is not usually Nasus's weakest point.

On the other hand, if you try to play passive and wait for him to make a mistake, you're not going to fare much better. Playing passive isn't going to slow his farming, and Nasus some pretty simple mechanics that aren't very punishable. If he's worth his salt, he probably won't extend without wards or underestimate your combo and stick around when he's low. If he does, make him pay, but don't surprised if he gives you zero opportunities. You can't win by outtrading him either if knows the matchup, almost everything favors him eventually.

You could be a good player overall, but the thing is, it doesn't really matter how good your laning mechanics are if you're playing against Nasus, and that sucks if it's your strongest aspect of the game. If you consistently win lane but need improvement transitioning from laning to teamfighting, Nasus is going to be your worst nightmare.

He feels like a brick wall if he's played right. I honestly can't remember the last time that I got solo-killed in lane by a MonkeyKing /Irelia /Yasuo /Jax /Malphite /Maokai /Ekko /Tryndamere /Gangplank /Shen /Rengar /Chogath /DrMundo without at least going 1 for 1, and I don't even consider myself to among the best of Nasus players.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Riot cut his early sustain a bit in favor of spiking a bit faster--did you know that, not including his passive, Nasus has the 4th highest HP regen in the game (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions'_health_regeneration )?

But until then, I apologize on behalf of all Nasus players if we ruined your day. And no, we will not stop playing our beloved doge.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

31 Comments

BluePolarizer11/28/2015, 4:31:36 AM5 votes

Pantheon destroys Nasus since he doesn't push the wave, has spammable Q, can block Nasus if he forgets to autoreset, can roam once fed and if he takes missing mana regen mastery, can essentially sit in lane forever and toss spears at him.

Olaf also destroys Nasus and can actually outscale Nasus as a duelist due to his true damage, huge lifesteal and huge AS steroid.

A Bad Nasus11/29/2015, 12:17:40 AM4 votes

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Riot cut his early sustain a bit

You mean like how they did back in season 3? His passive lifesteal used to be 20% at lvl 1, item 1054 was actually an item and defensive masteries offered plenty of sustain, not to mention lifesteal quints offered 2% instead of 1.5% like they do now.

I can go on with how they removed the increased cast ranges his ult used to give (nasus was a solid jungler then), wither was basically an exhaust on a 7 sec cooldown (It really was too strong).

Nasus is a mere shadow of what he used to be before and the problems you mention about laning against him and beating him 1v1, reliable ganks, teamfight transtitioning is a soloqueue problem, not Nasus's problem.

The last thing Nasus needs is another nerf to his sustain, and I'm here still waiting on a response from Riot balance on why the buff to his attack range was reverted. He's one of the last juggernauts left with 125 attack range fyi.

Earl Eulrich11/28/2015, 3:40:26 AM3 votes

if he would be truly frustrating he´d get banned more often...like yasuo. With Nasus though you usually know if you fucked up and what you did wrong and it´s alright.

SeargentAnus11/28/2015, 3:51:00 AM3 votes

Nasus is one of the reasons I play Karma top or Heimer when I'm forced up there. If I'm going to hate top lane you are to. [slayer-jinx-wink]

A Miss Fortune11/28/2015, 1:02:55 PM1 votes

It's not so much as counterplaying Nasus as it is counterpicking. There isn't a whole lot of counterplay to him.

"Deny him CS". Okay, his kit basically is designed to make farming easy. "Kite him". Basically a 100% "slow" "Gank/camp him." He's the team tank, good.

There's a number of champions who are extremely strong against Nasus, but even then he outscales pretty much all of them. I think he needs a rework, he shouldn't be able to build 6 tank items and still end up one-shotting people with point and click abilities. Even if he has to farm for it, It's just like Tahm Kench. Build full tank but still outdamage everyone.

DREADN0UGHT11/28/2015, 1:11:07 PM1 votes

I usually just go Sion and afk farm with him. And when he leaves for a teamfight i follow him and just cc his brains for days.

EcchiOtakuTM11/28/2015, 6:11:59 PM1 votes

Nasus is easy to beat though..... They have to rework him make him have a max stacks of 300 or 500 and give bonus effects per stack this way he can still farm but to a point and still attain power thus letting them change his passive and maybe rework w and e(Or keep them the same I mean I do like those skills)

His W E and ulti are fine but if they do rework q and passive, they COULD slightly rework w and e.

FGT Broromir11/28/2015, 6:24:18 PM1 votes

Glad to see that someone feels the same way as me. I really hate nasus, not because of the champ, but because of the kind of counterplay he promotes. Playing against him in soloQ is flipping a coin : heads, your adc can deal with nasus, tails he can't adc properly and won't be able to kill him. Also the fact that his Q applies to tower is very frustrating. he punishes kills or roam so hard. And right now with the "no-tower-armor" experience, he is even more ridiculous than before.

Ch0c0lateJesus11/28/2015, 9:16:29 PM1 votes

Cant decide which I hate more. Having a Nasus on my team, or having one on the enemy team.

Nasus needs a gameplay rework. The fact that he gets rewarded instead of punished for completely safe gameplay is idiotic, and goes against Riot's mission statement. How he has made it under the radar for so long is beyond me.

Most champs get power through controlling the lane, Nasus gets power through pure PVE, and beats his enemies with nothing but numbers. There's no skill involved in playing this champ at all.

Crossette11/28/2015, 8:11:56 AM1 votes

Thing is, there are like 3 champions that can outkill Nasus through his bullshit passive. I played a Hecarim game earlier where I got him down to 100 health, went to ward a bush, and came back to him having 500. He gets 100 back per Q even early game. He ACTUALLY killed me in 3 hits at 12 minutes with 120 stacks.