"Don't Blame your teammates if you're not climbing"

DebonairDonnie··17 votes·4,499 views

The above sentiment is one I generally agree with both in league and in life in general. I understand the value of introspection but I've just lost 5 games in a row, 4 of which consisted of someone trolling (running around to give free kills) or afk before 15 minutes was up. Perhaps even before 10. Now I'm trying to climb as a support, and I've watched videos and read a lot of "do this, focus on this" based articles, but I clearly need additional information. How are you climbing as a support when your mid lane carry leaves? How are you climbing when your adc engages as the enemy support's cc comes online while yours has just been used/missed, so they resort to insulting you and sitting in base rather than playing? Like is there a better time of day to play in order to avoid people that immediately go toxic? Is summer just a bad time to play in general? You can rest assured that I'm not skimping on the self improvement part. I'm trying to learn more about warding and helping my adc with wave manipulation, ideal match ups, playing champs I don't necessarily like because I need to know how to play what's meta, but since the Summer hit, I went from Silver II to lingering in limbo between Silver IV and V. How are you guys climbing as a support with carries that just quit because of you, another teammate, or whatever? All advice is welcome, please.

~Don

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Starcraft243ver5 votes

There's no reasons your carries would quit more than the carries on the opponents side, except if you are particularly bad or toxic in any way.

You ask "how to climb when XX is doing YY in this ZZ game". That's the wrong mindset. Sure some of your games will be lost because of XX doing YY. The opposite is true as well, you will win some games easily because XX is doing YY on the other team.

Focus on games where you matter. It doesnt matter that you had 50 afks in your team this season. Play 500 ranked games and win the other 450, it's all it takes to be top challenger. There's NO way you can have less afk in your team if you are always nice to anyone. So, stop focusing on how the AFK's ruin your games. You can't change it, why bother ? Focus on EVERYTHING else.

RocketRelm5 votes

Yeah, the answer is "put in a lot of games and they'll average out". The question is just do you wanna put in that much time?

I was plat last season, I feel 100% confident if I chugged 100 Ranked games I could get back into plat again this season. But do I really want to do that? That's 50+ hours (assuming an average time of 30 minutes per game). I put 100-150 hours into learning drawing over the last couple months and now that I'm fairly good at it, I feel happy with choosing to focus on that over Ranked this Spring.

I may push for ranked in the summer, after I get confident in learning a couple of champs for top, and the meta is 'less' snowbally than a couple months ago.

http://imgur.com/16iRDoE

Cavesloth2 votes

I'm glad someone else feels that ranked is way to grind for what you get out it.

DebonairDonnie1 votes

Yep, since I teach for a living, I've got the summer right now. But when I have to get back to lesson planning, after school rehearsals (band director) and just back to life in general, if I haven't gotten gold by then, I just won't.

Cavesloth1 votes

Yeah ranked isn't really designed for someone who can't play all day long.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

In life you have to make choices, if you do not have the time to play enough ranked games to climb high, then you wont climb high that's not a problem since, as a compensation, you spend your time doing something else you enjoy more.

When I was playing starcraft2 I dedicated a lot of time to reach grandmaster (top 200 of the region), I did it, then I decided that It took me too much time just to keep my mecanics and skill up, and even more time to keep improving. So I just stopped playing Starcraft2 competitively. Every 6 months or so I play a few games, crush some D1 people, but I'm lightyears away from my former level. And the last thing I would do is complaining that "Omg I should still be gm, since I was gm at some point ... broken game".

RocketRelm1 votes

Yeah, I can totally get that. Your skills will degrade some over time if you don't play. However, I think this is different from GM Starcraft because at that high of a level (Challenger being the league equiv), everything needs to be perfection incarnate. Skill degradation matters/happens less the further down the totem pole you go (and I've been playing a fair bit of league, just not SR).

Also, I never said the game was broken. I fully recognize that I am not presently Plat 2, though I value my personal skill at that level. For reference, I climbed from Silver 4 to Gold 1 in 100 games last season, I would be deeply ashamed of myself if I couldn't pump from G2 to P5 in that same timeframe, given a couple games in norms to freshen up and not 'sink my mmr with the catch-up games'.

SwiftKitten885 votes

the whole premise of not blaming your teammtes for not climbing is good for newer players yes...

but overall if you are a LOT lower than where u belong... its not always true...

can i still climb? yes... but if i had teammates who didn't feed thier ass off it would take me 20 games to climb and not 200

will you still climb... yes.. of course you will... but how many more games will it take you? if mean if you can't climb in the length of one season becuase your teammtes feed and since riot demoted everyone at the beginning of each season it is VERY possible to to have your teammates prevent you from climbing.

i mean sure if you play 10 ranked games per day... the no... your still going to climb relativly fast becuase you have a higher number of games..

but if you play 2-3 ranked game per week? then your teammates will make all the difference

DebonairDonnie1 votes

Just experienced quite the tilting game. I died the least in the game, but was present for 30/45 kills (6/3/24). I had a vision score of 75 (30 placed/7 destroyed), I landed a ton of crucial hooks (I was thresh), snowballed my lane early (the enemy adc finished 2/17) and we still couldn't win. It just feels bad. If I have that great of a personal game and can't win, it feels hopeless when it comes to having an average or below average (for me) Thresh game. Especially, as you said, when I'm not playing 10 games per day.

Cavesloth1 votes

Climbing as support is very Sisyphean. Sometimes pushing that boulder any farther just feels like too much effort for what its worth.

RookPusher3 votes

Your match history says you don't play ranked. You can't complain unless you put your cards on the table.

DebonairDonnie18 votes

I don't forum post on the same account I play on. Furthermore, I'm asking for help, not complaining.

velkhaz6 votes

quality comment

nice table6 votes

im curious on why people post on their alts rather than mains, i guess they are scared of being elo shamed or something?

sardiniii3 votes

i think so

Xonra1 votes

I post on an alt, and I get elo shamed for an alt I haven't even played on for like...4 months or something.

People like to be a-holes and if they can't find a legit reason to talk down to you, they start looking up your elo and match history and throwing it at you. I stopped caring a long time ago, though.

Cavesloth3 votes

I love how people ask for help and then people insult them, these forums geezus.

RookPusher1 votes

How is that an insult?

Xonra3 votes

What's sad is you are probably so used to being an asshole that you can't even tell now when you are being an asshole.

Sir Fuzzi2 votes

That's dark, dude.

More importantly if he was lying about his rank I feel like he'd shoot a bit higher than Silver.

The Fuzzy 0ne3 votes
  1. No flaming And if you're teammate is flaming someone else, try to give them "gj"s or some positive note so they don't feed or afk

  2. Ward Many times people will get behind and therefore get frustrated because they're losing. Don't be afraid to roam up and lend a ward to mid or top if you're real ballsy

  3. Map Awareness Keep an eye out for ganks on your lane AND the other lanes because they might not be aware of what's coming

Those things should help teammates have a more positive game experience and therefore maybe they will play better and have a better outlook on the game at hand

Cavesloth2 votes

Number one is damn hard sometimes, but solid advice. I know i've done better since i've tried to be more positive to my teammates. I would also add to that to figure out what makes you tilt, and how you can overcome it. The best advice my higher elo friends ever game me was NEVER play while tilted, or figure out how to stop it. It may sound silly, but find exercise and getting some sunlight helps, releases endorphins and helps stop negative thought loops you get in during a tilt. Obviously you can't do that while in a game (unless you keep like set of dumbells near your desk or something...), but in between games or even after games that tilt you, I think it might help.

The Fuzzy 0ne2 votes

I usually go for a run before I start ranked and it does help a lot :) When I had knee surgery and couldn't move, I had a hand drum by my desk that I would play on that also got out a lot of rage lol

And yeah, number 1 is pretty hard but it makes a huge difference for your teammates as well as for you. It kind of forces you to have a positive mindset too so it's mutually beneficial. I find when you can't get that it usually means you're tilted lol. My best climbs were when I had the "I don't really care" attitude, meaning that you just play your own game and have your own fun without really caring what dumb or tilting stuff your teammates may be doing

SlashStriker3 votes

If i am ahead and my team is feeding who do i blame? The Ghost Busters?

OP Garen Support2 votes

Riot's match making, but you can only improve yourself not your teammates.

Sir Fuzzi2 votes

When there's someone bad!

In your middle lane.

Who ya gonna call?

FUCKIN' NO-ONE

Solidarius2 votes

if you can carry the game as a support you are top player.

I dont supp, but the best advice I can give you is try your best to work together with your ADC, a good duo adc/supp is very frustrating to face against.

I know some games you might get those ADC that get tilted easy but if they see you trying your best to save em/protect em ect they will respect you... I played supp once or twice because of autofill and would DIE protecting my ADC vs enemy team, I would even flash to block skill shots aimed for him/her :P

dont give up! and if you get that ADC that insults you and sits in base just work together with the mid carry or top laner, it will make him/her more mad :D

Troll for Trump2 votes

Stop with the "don't blame your team" mentality.

It's objectively wrong.

This is a team game; you see people saying that a lot. If you lose, it's rarely just your fault. If you win, it's rarely just because of you.

You win or lose based on the team. Sometimes, you get crappy teammates, and you just have to accept that you got unlucky.

Got that autofilled ADC with 13 deaths?

Of course it isn't your fault, you got unlucky.

The outside factors of soloQ affect you more than you affect others.

Yes, you are the only constant in between games, but you have little effect on the other variables.

Azure Hamster2 votes

Whenever I get stuck and stop climbing, I take some paid lessons. They tell me stupid shit I'm doing, or better things I should do. Then I move up again. After having this happen several times, I am now completely confident when I say, "If you're not climbing, look at your own play, not that of others."

Caitlyn

JRobin312 votes

There isn't any faster way to improve than having a high ranked player give it to you straight. IMO. Some post on a forum doesn't cut it. Direct in action feedback is the way to go.

DebonairDonnie1 votes

I've got to admit that I don't believe this forum post has been ineffective. If I come to the realization that the only way I can climb to Gold is to pay a high ranking or professional player to critique me, then maybe climbing isn't for me. Climbing to Gold is certainly a goal of mine, but as someone out in the workforce, and especially public education, it's not a goal that I'd prioritize to the point of a financial commitment. In any case, I feel like I've received (and am continuing to receive) lots of promising advice from these posts, no matter how general said advice may be.

LightIsMyPath2 votes

Hi! I'm experiencing the same up and down through silver you are ( currently I am coming back from the 5.. Again:/) . My best role is not support but it's my secondary so I played it enough to understand what you are saying.

What I noticed in games when your team"goes wild" is your behavior towards teammates can really be a big difference. I often make the mistake of playing when I 'm not in the mood for being social and if something goes rough my chances of loosing are way higher. When I ' chill instead I tend to be really positive towards my teammates and this usually have effects you wouldn't believe! If I managed to make my team like me early game (be it with plays or words) they are way more likely to follow my calls and since I have the control of the vision and usually a good map awareness I can often find myself in the position to carry the game via leading the team while the enemies can't keep up with our rotations.

Another thing is being able to judge your teammates and your team comp: Sometimes you realize for example that your midlaner sucks: So, better building more apish if your champ allows it or build towards maximizing your ADC damage output since you will lack proper damage from one of the carries?better leave him to rot and maximize the income from other lanes or help him stay relevant? All of this is stuff we should ask ourselves and decide accordingly to our reading of the game ( of course the decision can't always be good.. Some games ago for example I decided to let my Darius top to rot on his fed teemo cause my jinx was fed and I thought she could easily carry the game even without top online.. Boy I was wrong : I didn't consider Darius frustration and disregarded his constant calls for help, he tilted eventually and started suiciding on purpose on our lane.. Just so we could feel how it is to deal with fed enemies. We lost. ) .

Anyway aside from mechanic improvements (which I can't help you with as we are same elo), I find more succes being the"psychologist" of the team, as it helps your map management too. Instead when I feel negative even if I look at map no one trusts me enough to follow on more then standard calls like free barons/drakes/turrets .. And I end up relying on mechanics from both me and my opponents so when we have the skill disadvantage the game is lost.

Inting Pillow2 votes

90% of players who deserve gold are stuck in silver because of bad teammates.

Emerald Fang1 votes

Well, it happens. You aren't playing ranked, so... you can't really complain about "not climbing" when you have nothing to climb.

DebonairDonnie6 votes

As I've already mentioned, I am not posting on the account I play on. I don't understand why I'd go to the lengths of asking for help climbing as a support if I weren't playing ranked.

RookPusher2 votes

We need to see what you're doing to assess whether you're to blame. If you want help climbing, we need to see what you're doing.

If you called the doctor and said you were sick, but didn't give him any symptoms, or let him see you, then he can't help.

Cavesloth1 votes

While I see your point, it does seem like hes looking for general suggestions that would work in ANY elo.

RookPusher1 votes

Yeah maybe, but honestly it would be more helpful if we could give specific advice. If he wards a lot, then we don't need to tell him that. I don't get why I'm being attacked for making a helpful, honest comment. I wasn't even rude about it and my first post got 7 downvotes.

Cavesloth1 votes

Well that's because you looked him up and said he wasn't playing ranked, why would he ask about ranked if he wasn't playing ranked? That first post was rude and made assumptions that weren't accurate. Which is why your second post didn't get downvoted, it might have been blunt, but it wasn't rude and you seem to genuinely want to help him.

DrCyanide4 votes

The first thing that happens when someone tries to help is they try to look up what you're doing right and what you're not. Ranked stats are the go-to for that information, but replays can also be valuable.

LeDjent1 votes

I've been experiencing the same thing actually. I climbed from B5 to S2 rather quickly switching from Jungle to Support. I got to my Silver 1 promo games, and lost the series, since then have just been having a tough time in ranked.

I just feel like I've hit an unlucky streak, much like what you have talked about. I have played my fair share of poor games during this streak (I'm not blaming all of this on my team, I mess up too) but boy does it seem like I get matched up with some bad players. It kind of leaves me scratching my head sometimes. LOL.

I would stick with your guns tho, support mains unite!

DJ Hatsune Miku1 votes

Ultimately it's all about attitude and comfort. Yes, bad games happen. I feel like I've had more trolls, leavers, and feeders on my team than the enemy team by a huge margin. But that's also because I probably remember those experience more than when I got to walk down midlane at 15 minutes for a free win.

One of the most important things to remember is that ranked is, at least when I played most often, a collection of misfits that are trying to play a game together. For better or for worse you can't just ignore them or let them run around doing their own thing. Take charge early and forcefully, actively praise good plays more than just a "Nice" and don't let misplays become a focus. Let them slide, say it's no big deal, be a leader and shot caller. Sky Williams actually made a video about this tactic and it really does work it's kind of amusing. As a support you're in the best position to do that. This is by far the most important thing you can do, especially in silver/bronze. Warding up and timing buffs doesn't do much if your team doesn't even look at their minimap. You have to force-feed your team this knowledge and the only way to do that is being the leader.

Supports also dictate botlane. ADCs are the stars of the lane but a good support can easily forcefeed his carry 6 kills and mountains of farm. I've had Sona as one of my main support for years (who would have guessed lol) and more often than not I play her like she is a murderbot. I never go passive, I'm always dictating the pace of the match even if it means some games I end up overstepping and getting killed. By doing this I force the enemy team to earn their farm and a lot of times it results in me first backing into a sheen and straight up dueling the enemy ADC while the enemy support can't match me because he went back into a sightstone and upgraded gold item. You have to be very aware of your own damage because it's the only damage you can rely on.

That being said, don't get caught up in damage supports. As much as going bot as a murder lane with Brand or Annie feels like the best way to climb I've never felt they were as strong of bullies as Sona or Soraka. Yes, I play Soraka as a bully, it's absolutely hilarious.

Either way, don't play "Meta picks" just because they're meta. Play your favorites, play what's strongest for your playstyle. I've stuck to my guns as a Nautilus player through thick and thin and despite, at times, being one of the worst junglers in the game or not even considered a jungler by the community. I've maintained a 65%+ winrate over like 150 ranked matches on him. Do remember that there are diamond 1 tricks for about every champion. It always feels great to surprise people with just how crazy the plays can be when you're playing with someone that's got like 500 hours on a character. Can't tell you how many needles I've managed to thread with Nautilus' hook.

As a wise fighting game player once said, "Pick yo shit!" I think it applies well to this game as well. Hope this helped!

DebonairDonnie1 votes

Thank you for taking the time to author such an in-depth post! I enjoyed the read and will continue to re-read it to squeeze as much out of it as possible. On the subject of Sona, do you think she's a worthwhile pick right now? I've never owned her, but I've been at the receiving end of the sheen > lichbane build and it seems to amplify her damage without compromising her utility.

DJ Hatsune Miku1 votes

According to op.gg statistics she's actually one of the highest winrate champion at the moment so I would certainly say she's worth picking up. She does take a little getting used to and her being make of tissue paper is something to keep in mind but I find she's very rewarding and a lot of fun to play. But I'm bias, she was actually the character that made me pick up League in the first place. That and her Arcade Skin. 10/10 right there~

Unnamed Player31 votes

I feel your pain man. Sometimes things don't go the way we want them to. Several pieces of advice, but its probable you heard them already (take this with a grain of salt as I am not a good player):

While your games will heavily influence most of your games, you are only 20% of your team ultimately, so don't blame yourself if your team made games unwinnable. Note, however, that tilt can greatly affect your perception of games: a tilted player may view a perfectly winnable game (think 8vs12 with a 1 tower deficit) as unwinnable because of tilt - happens to the best of us, but it greatly increases our lost game count if tilt is allowed to reign upon. Based on your post I'm guessing you may be a bit inclined to tilt (I may be wrong so please don't hate me), so try playing an easy smurf game to get rid of that first (or any other tilt-removing technique that fits you).

As a support, try playing damage supports (brand, zyra, lux, even tf etc.). if your adc is a toxic pussy, is uncooperative or just afk (NOT if he's just having a bad game and trying their best), damage supports are your best bet. Take cs if they actually have no idea what they're doing and try to be a second mid laner - I may be downvoted to the dust for saying this but to win, you NEED damage to win - a game with no utility is still winnable, but a game with no damage isn't imo.

If you prefer utility supports that is perfectly fine, but you must pray that your team's hyper carry does not disconnect.

Best of luck in your climb m8.

DebonairDonnie1 votes

Thanks for the advice! While Thresh has been one of my favorite supports, I've taken some time to play champions like zyra, karma, and lulu that focus less on mechanics, afford a lot of poke pressure/damage in lane, and allow me to pay more attention to what's going on around the map to warn teammates of potential ganks or nod my adc towards a potential all in moment. I say all that to say I'm definitely seeing the advantage of your advice to lean towards damage supports.

DebonairDonnie1 votes

As I respond to what I can individually, I just want to leave a general comment stating that I'm overwhelmed by and appreciative of the positive energy coming from you guys. I'm legitimately applying things that you've told me, and I know it's too early to say I'm on a permanent climb, but I do notice myself enjoying my games more and participating in more positive (or at the very least, constructive) discourse with my teammates. So thanks guys, and keep it up.

Ashyha Kadame1 votes

Man not all games are to blame on your team ... but if they keep getting 2/11/1 i really cant stand it man

[sg-shisa]

briz83801 votes

Thinking that blaming your teammates is the reason you're losing just indicates that you have a low iq. If your stats are better than almost everyone for your rank (which you can check), you should climb. Teammates are the main reason good players lose games. Riot does it on purpose, you can check on leagueofgraphs, when you go into promos you get worse players on your team because for some reason, instead of climbing being something that involves being highly above average, climbing is a contest to see who's better at master yi and vayne and who can 1v9 on a more consistent basis.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

I think people generally misunderstand what it means not to blame your team mates. Of course your team mates are primarily responsible for whether you win or lose a game, it would be stupid to think otherwise. However, what you must realize, just as often as your team mates will lose you games, the enemy teams you face will also have idiots losing their team's game which gives you wins. So what it comes down to is chance. In any given lane, members from one team will feed the other. This means there is a 50% chance in each lane that you get the feeder. That is completely up to chance and you absolutely cannot do anything about that. But you can alter the chances in your own lane. If there is a 100% chance that you won't feed, then you give your team an advantage. There will be 5 people on the enemy team with a 50% chance of feeding but on your team, there are 4 people with a 50% chance of feeding and one with a 0% chance of feeding, which is you. The overall odds are 45% that your team will feed and lose and 55% that the enemy team will. These are favorable odds for you that will result in you climbing over a large number of games.

I managed to get to Gold recently, on another account of course. I tried for years and finally succeeded. While many things were responsible, part of the reason was embracing that League is ultimately a game of chance. I played only my best champs and tried every game to not be the reason my team loses and what resulted was a positive overall win rate. I got to Gold fairly easily. I had lots of games with AFKs and feeding trash but I was almost never the reason any of my teams lost their games. It's a boring way to play but it's effective at climbing.

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