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Objectively speaking can someone explain to me how Senna is Overpowered?

Malix Farwin·12/27/2019, 7:08:22 PM·4 votes·2,702 views

First and foremost i would appreciate it if people kept things civil and i am not taking either sides just generally trying to get an understanding how the conclusion is made using facts and data.

Taking the data from https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Senna/

From the support side of things she looks perfectly fine, not even her deltas are noticeably high(56% Delta is more or less the average for a champion)

As far as bot lane goes there are several ADCs with higher WRs and Delta(the new ADC included).

Now taking a look at her damage breakdowns are not out of line with the average. Just want to know why she is considered overpower and what metric i should be looking at to make that determination. Again want to say i am not on either side just the data suggests that she is balanced(if her bot is overtuned than its only slightly and there are about 9 champions ahead of her in that lane that should be nerfed as well if thats the argument).

42 Comments

Keiaga12/27/2019, 7:21:28 PM5 votes

Because most people on these boards form a factually incorrect echo chamber for bad opinions.

Although to be fair, she was nerfed recently and I think she had a winrate of 55%+ in adc and support before that. Might be wrong, but I do remember it being a little too high.

Owocie12/27/2019, 7:41:31 PM3 votes

attack range means she attacks from farther meaning enemies can't retaliate. ability gives her untargetability vs non-skillshots & aa. long range cc. global ult which heals and damages. self and ally heal on q.

but mainly attack range :D

boricCentaur112/27/2019, 7:33:40 PM1 votes

I don't think she is. Especially given what champions are being played. Like she isn't going much to save anyone from a kass or lee.

I think she is fine she might be too strong if different champions were being played given the small lethality buffs.

Darkdemon65312/27/2019, 7:58:30 PM1 votes

There's never one thing that makes a champion overpowered. It is and will always be a combination of things.

With that out of the way, she's broken because her combined healing, shielding, CC, damage, utility, and safety are way too high.

Kai Guy12/27/2019, 8:09:36 PM1 votes

The definitions of terms used are all subject to arbitrary assignment.

I say 1 shot and that's like the golden gun in 007. 1 hit 1 kill. Others say 1 shot and them are talking about a full spell rotation or a string of 5-7 autos.

Overpowered can be above the curve. Counters my main, new mechanic, annoying, or an excuse to say some variation of fuck riot. (Some folks feel better with "the devs suck ass at makeing this game" over admiting "I might suck at this game.")

Senna is strong. Most new champs are as the current trend seems to be training wheels are added then removed.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M12/27/2019, 8:25:10 PM1 votes

I would say senna is more-so overloaded (and maybe slightly overtuned) than straight out Overpowered. She simply has a lot in her kit in terms of both utility/defense and aggressive tools. Can scale pretty well if she collects a decent amount of souls, and I think people are annoyed by her Root's big hit box and the fact that its aoe.

Malix Farwin12/27/2019, 8:38:20 PM1 votes

Thanks for the feedback so far btw all.

Malix Farwin12/27/2019, 9:00:22 PM1 votes

I am tihnking that instead of focusing on her being OP maybee the argument should shift more toward doing something about how frustrating she is to play again?

II think at least Riot should start looking at things that way as oppose to OP or not(at least thats the general feeling i am getting so far with the feedback given).

WoonStruck12/28/2019, 5:29:22 AM1 votes

600 starting range that scales up.

That's pretty much it, and her team-wide peudo vlad pool with a shit load of MS.

She's not obscenely broken or anything, her design is just faulty.

Most champions with a really high scaling stat start below average in that stat. Senna does not in regards to her range. I would rather she have relatively low starting range and a normal scaling base AD, even.

Shrek Luigi12/28/2019, 8:15:26 PM1 votes

People usually base their assumptions as to whether a champion is OP in at least one of two ways.....the numerical side of their kit (their base stats & stat-gain per level, the damage of each individual ability, those abilities' CD, et cetera) or their overall design-philosophy (the types of abilities a champion has packed in their kit, how those individual abilities come together & the natural rock-paper-scissors element that a champion has relative to their role).

My impression of Senna is that she is a bit OP....not because there are elements in her kit that do too much damage or whatever, but because she does decent damage at any stage of the game IN ADDITION to having an effective AA & skill-range longer than many other supports, 0 sustain issues once item 3028 is up, AND untargetability.

I've heard from others of how she plays-out sort of like a Soraka clone--a Q-spamming healer with a goofy soft-CC throwdown and a global ulti. I tend to agree, and I think the contention-point here is that--comparing the kits of these two champs alongside one another--one definitely seems a lot more loaded than the other.

AlienPrimate12/27/2019, 7:28:08 PM1 votes

She isn't because she is one of the most immobile champions in the game. Stunning yourself on every auto = death the moment any melee champion gets in range.