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Supports are not the reason adcs are broken, Just think about it

Best princess EU·10/8/2017, 12:35:23 PM·52 votes·3,330 views

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Just talked with an ADC main about the meta we talked about the future sterak buff combined with triforce, and how it will make irelia/jax/gangplank/other triforce users strong in the meta again

then he said "fuck sup, fuck mid, fuck top, fuck jungle, adc master race" when i asked him why did he say fuck sup when they make adcs broken he replied by "supports are just items for adcs"

TRUE WORDS HAVE BEEN SPOKEN

supports do not break adcs in any means if adcs weren't stupidly broken ardent wouldn't have been so broken and bought in each games

do you see at world, ardent users using shields/heals on bruisers like rek'sai/j4? NO do you see anyone complaining about ardent synergy with a bruiser? NO

adcs are broken beyond beliefs, their itemization is too cheap, gives too much early power, gives them burst per seconds, healing, bonus movement speed

ardent or any other support item does not matter if the user of ardent isn't broken

43 Comments

Penns10/8/2017, 12:55:14 PM35 votes

item 3508 item 3031 item 3085 Xayah on 7.8: 9800 gold cost item 3087 / item 3094 Xayah on 7.9: 9400 gold cost + Shiv and rfc effects buffed and item 3086 is 100 gold cheaper

who wouldve thought that will happen hehe

Tortunga10/8/2017, 3:47:06 PM14 votes

Ardent Censer is still broken though, as it gives the ADC literally the stats of a free item. The 25% AS, 25 on hit damage and healing is worth like 2k gold. It's the whole reason why only hyper carries with AS steriods are seeing play; They get to their late game power so fast it's insane.

But yeah even without them, ADC are broken. Their items are just to cheap for what they give, especially compared to the AP counterparts (If you can).

Like item 3089 vs item 3031 ; Deathcap is 68% gold efficient, IE is 96% gold efficient from just pure stats. Both of the passives are somewhat equal qua damage bonus (30% extra AP scaling vs 50% extra crit damage), but as Deathcap has terrible stats on their own nobody in their right mind (except veigar) rushes it, while ADC seem fine to rush IE.

Or item 3087 item 3094 vs item 3285 . All three have somewhat the same gold efficiency without the passive (80-85%), but Shiv's/rapid cannon passive are much stronger then Luden's. You would need 2200 AP for the luden's passive to do the same damage as a Shiv's passive crit.

Or item 3135 vs item 3033 / item 3036 . All three have somewhat the same gold efficiency (around 65%), and all three gives exactly 35% penetration. But both AD items got a second passive on them while the AP ones doesn't.

The only AP item that has roughly the same value compared to their ADC counterpart is item 3165 vs item 3508 . (If you would remove the mana from Morell as most champions with blue buff don't care about that, Essence is much better again).

Every ADC item is just way to cost efficient for what damage stats they give, especially if you take in account that a lot of other items, especially caster ones, that give extra stats you don't care that much about, (like mana, mana regen, and health).

Ceol10/8/2017, 2:40:19 PM14 votes

I still believe supports should not be walking item actives. Their inherent strengths as a support, tanky engage, peel, healing, etc. should be tied to their afforded skill set. Atm with all the newly introduced actives, it feels as if most supports do everything now, even if it's outside of what their kit entails.

But...yeah, adcs definitely are incredibly high up on the power curve. Unnecessary item cost reductions, coupled with butchering of assassins' ability to Insta-burst and the introduction of anti-burst, loaded support actives/passive all at once have caused this.

FB Ospraey10/8/2017, 2:46:32 PM11 votes

adc are beyond busted, we see marksmen destroy every lane when theyre brought for cheese picks. ardent simply enhances that. we pick tanks so we don't die to adc as fast. we pick mages to do other dmg than adc, we pick assassins to kill adc. majority of the time adc still win

JackMcSnipeyz10/8/2017, 7:04:44 PM8 votes

i talked to a random person who plays adc and he said a generic douch respone about support - I GUESS THAT PROVES IT, ADC ARE THE ONLY PROBLEM.

Sure buddy, i talked to a assassin main and he think's duskblade is broken as shit, can we nerf assassins now? /s

oortoomeebreesuu10/8/2017, 3:33:09 PM6 votes

Tell SKT T1 Wolf that supports are "only items." That's my TL;DR for you, but, this problem happens on many fronts

you can't pick assassins ordinarily because of tanks and shields

you can't poke with mages (bischu remembers!) due to warmogs and life steal

the ADC is the person most responsible for killing structures and objectives late game, therefore heavy investment is funneled into them

that means Summoners like heal/barrier taking place over a readily cleansed exhaust or ignite which have to be used actively in the first place - not reactively. Exhaust will only affect the enemy if you time it perfectly. Heal does it's job without even trying, no really, you don't even have to be TARGETING ANYBODY.

What does this mean?

It means you're either Uzi, or you're Rekkles.

However!

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT TRUE IF YOU WIN EARLY ENOUGH. This is the caveat -

ADC wins early - The dominance begins early

Assassin wins early - 8 kills later, and the adc has still been given multiple lanes of CS.

This has never changed, meta be damned - Kog'Maw has never NOT BEEN Kog'Maw at 45 minutes. What HAS CHANGED are the tools for closing out games, such as Rift Herald, along with vision and mobility options in the jungle. This creates a usable chaos - but one that ultimately forces pro teams into designing a meta around high percentage plays - Uzi can do jack but farm and sit out of vision for as long as the game takes. It takes a dozen fights to win - it only takes one fight to lose. It has produced the most boring meta, and one of the most stagnant champion selections across multiple roles (I'm not up to date with the X unique champions per worlds/split, but sure feels like Jungle and ADC have never felt, both, so strong and so stifled at the same time.)

Officially10/8/2017, 10:52:37 PM6 votes

OMG! One ADC main says that ADC's are strong! He opinion must represent the whole community!

hhaavviikk10/8/2017, 2:38:04 PM5 votes

so you would say supports amplify it?

ADC damage is OP, supports then proceed to make them more OP by giving them safety?

SwiftKitten8810/8/2017, 6:52:39 PM4 votes

item 3504 didnt break adcs... ADC broke adc.. just make the OP champ even stronger.

Rexxiee10/8/2017, 4:12:18 PM4 votes

Supports are the most broken class in the game right now, nice try lol

DorkunedAuras10/8/2017, 9:33:43 PM4 votes

Welcome back to the boards, Rubick.

Voluug1310/9/2017, 3:01:21 AM3 votes

I feel that not only we need to nerf ADC itemization, but also take support itemization and make more about aiding the entire team instead of just the adc, or buffing themselves in supporty ways instead of the adc with more direct damage/sustain.

Say what you will, but RedepLocket meta (after a couple of nerfs) was way better than this. At least it didnt break ADCs, and didnt exclude supports so even heal/shield lacking supports could use them.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER10/8/2017, 5:51:23 PM3 votes

It's ardent censer really, the rest of the items are situational.

As for enchanters they are meant to be team reliant, melee and other supports aren't.

DracosKasu10/8/2017, 4:07:38 PM1 votes

They switch aura item for stronger ability improvement item who can be active all the time with healing or shield with stronger buff in it. Riiiiiight...

AirKingNeo10/9/2017, 1:59:02 PM1 votes

Sterak's is gaining 30% tenacity, getting the base AD upfront, and costing 600 more gold. It's not that huge of a buff. The shield will still not proc in most cases, nor is the buff enough to but bruisers in the meta at all.

Also this is just another "omfg adcs so broken lol I have no idea what i'm actually talking about" thread that we see 5 times a day. Not sure how ADCs are broken if Ardent Censer is the reason Jax is picked and Locket giving too large of a shield is an issue.

73770610/9/2017, 9:21:20 AM1 votes

I don't see anything wrong or broken with ADC'S, just me?

Naon10/9/2017, 1:57:30 PM1 votes

If the item was the actual issue now people would be building it on almost everything. Duskblade is a good example of being overtuned because not only is JG, Top, AD Mid, picking it up, occassionally an ADC will as well. That is an overtuned item. Similar to how DFG was overtuned before it's removal to the point even Top laners and supports were picking it up.

The real issue here is how the ADCs have been balanced. Everything is centered around them. When they are allowed to JG, Top, and Mid and still haven't been put in their place like supports or mages were, you can see favoritism but also how overtuned they truely are. ADCs itemization as a whole needs to be revamped and so does Crit.

You don't see people complaining about Ardent buff on a Top Laner, JG, or Mid laner. They only complain when it is applied to the ADC. Why? ASPD, Crit, and Lifesteal are main core focuses on this class that is designed to take objectives, push down teams, and at the same time kite around and laugh at you if you have no form of CC all while having insane survival and the ability to melt anyone.

Zone of Endless10/9/2017, 3:46:05 AM1 votes

They're not the main cause of ADC being overpowered, but part of it with the current AD/Support itemization right now (looking at you Ardent Censer).

Lit Corn10/8/2017, 10:50:13 PM1 votes

supports dont make adc op ... they dont give them too many bonus strenghts exept for the as and bonus on hit dmges on censer ... but they remove all their weaknesses and make them absolutely unkillable . that is why supports are the issue currently and not adcs ... a kog without a janna as fed as he is will get destroyed by any assassin even if adcs are op as u say , but currently they ( assassins ) cant even get adcs to mid hp even with a full combo ...