So you guys want an Ekko nerf

Bonk Boy·5/31/2015, 1:01:21 AM·8 votes·5,392 views

Yet you haven't even had enough time to figure out his counters first? People complain about his ult, but it's pretty avoidable. You have full vision of where it's going to be cast. His ult is very very very powerful, but that's because it works on the enemies mistakes.

Yes, Ekko is extremely powerful but unlike LB and Zed right now he is counter-able. He has weaknesses. You can put him in tight spots, you can pressure him. He's an assassin, don't complain about his cc and big damage.

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FreeLanternRides5/31/2015, 2:18:25 AM7 votes

at this point i would rather fight a five man team composed of nothing but LB over fighting one single bastard playing Ekko, you claim he is counter-able and you say he has weaknesses however you don't go into any detail as to what those are, most likely because you can't think of any but that isn't any of my business, i can tell you that the champ is overwhelmingly overpowered and has the balancing of the teeter totter on the play ground at my school. His kit leaves nothing to counter play considering that any time you get him any lower than half hp he will ult and gain all of his health back meanwhile dealing massive damage, this wouldn't be so bad however its on a lower than two minute CD lvl 1 so by the time you reset and come back to lane its back and ready to ruin your fun yet again. also he has every single thing you could want in a champ slows, shields, stuns, damage, mobility, heal, and a speed buff all wrapped into one simple easy to play package. so please elaborate on why this champion doesn't deserve a nerf.

Par Xżi5/31/2015, 1:03:50 AM3 votes

Omg every game there is an Ekko people complain about how unbalanced he is. They see an Ekko and be like "OH he is low lets get him" while Ekko has his ulti up and enough mana for a full combo. Then they line up and let Ekko free combo them and then say "such unbalanced champ nerf plz".

NemeBro5/31/2015, 1:05:00 AM2 votes

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Yet you haven't even had enough time to figure out his counters first? People complain about his ult, but it's pretty avoidable. You have full vision of where it's going to be cast. His ult is very very very powerful, but that's because it works on the enemies mistakes.

Yes, Ekko is extremely powerful but unlike LB and Zed right now he is counter-able. He has weaknesses. You can put him in tight spots, you can pressure him. He's an assassin, don't complain about his cc and big damage.

You really think LB and Zed can't be countered?

Chogath Ha.

petmeshoehorse196/17/2015, 8:16:26 AM2 votes

While there are many arguments here, I would like to sum them up together in a nice package that points out Ekko's flaws.

Firstly, Ekko as a champion at first glance has amazing mechanics, he seems to take lots of skill, timing and effort to pull off to his full potential. and this is correct. but his full potential is wiping out an entire team by himself after being shut down all game. when actually played, unlike lb or zed, or fizz, or many of the considered "overpowered" champions in the game already. it takes little to no actual experience and skill to play ekko. due to one simple fact. he has a total of three cc abilities. one of which has two cc's in it depending on how well it is used. he has a heal that at later games will completely reverse any punishment for assassinations, added to his low cooldowns that give little time of opportunity between his powerful poke and a full combo assassination. these factors all lead into the biggest problem. he has such a big kit. and it works even if you miss half of it. for example. if I miss my Q entirely, that is fine. I have a W waiting for them and I have an E that will close any range gap if I am even capable of wrapping my head around an age old League mechanic of dashing. and by the time I have hit them twice with an absolutely stupid amount of damage, without a passive proc. I now have another Q to launch. if they aren't dead, well, I can just ult and try again. now if that didn't make sense, that is fine. it is just a scenario. I am now going to run down his abilities:

Passive: not that bad honestly. standing alone, it is a three hit passive that does moderate damage and slows a bit, as well as giving him a speed boost. alone. this is a pretty balanced passive. even with his e, it is still balanced. what makes it unbalanced, is if you hit your q, it is an almost guaranteed that your E will pop it, slowing you and damaging you even more. and if you haven't built tank and it is at least mid game. you have died from just this combo. fine. he is an assassin that is okay.

Timewinder: This is an interesting skill shot, it seems to be low in range, and honestly the best way to avoid it is via hiding in minions as it slows based on when it hits things. so in lane it is not too hard to avoid if you are a mid laner. top it is harder but top you can build tank in the current Meta. regardless, this thing does an immense amount of damage with absolutely wonderful ap scaling, as well as slows you just perfectly for whatever else Ekko wants to do to you, personally, if I am hit by this, I find it very hard to move at all, and at the range it is at, as well as Ekko's painfully powerful mobility, he will get to me with little trouble. this ability in my opinion, is in truth the most unbalanced ability if standing alone in his kit, just due to it's sheer power and functionality, trying to catch someone? Q them, they aren't getting away. being chased? q them, they won't get you, and hey, maybe you can go in for a kill too. pushing a lane and it is stupid to jump into their team? just poke them with your q. this ability is very good and on such a low cooldown that it is hard not to broken.

Parallel Convergence: Personally, I believe this is his most balanced ability... as an active, here me out here. it is not an ekko fanboy here. while his ability does have amazing stun potential. as an assassin that requires getting in to their team, as well as guessing where the fight will be in three seconds. as an escape, this is pretty good for a turn around, but just pay attention, it is a very obvious skill and easy to see where it is going once you are used to fighting it. mechanically it is difficult to land this ability correctly. the only thing that needs fixing on it in my opinion is it's scaling, over all. Ekko's entire kit needs a look at it's total scaling, I know he is an assassin. but he is able to be up there with a half built akali in damage, with only a luden's echo or a lich bane. it is built in to him to do a lot of damage from a lot of sources, and to give him great scaling too is just too much. now the passive for this ability, is too much. with all of his kit, he does not need a low health damage boost. there is no reason for this. there is nothing lacking in his ability to kill low health players, nothing about him needs this passive to even exist.

Phase dive: This ability is a weird one to look at. it is a dash gap closer that allows him to have a single ranged attack that closes the gap. mechanically this is extremely simple to use. but to an enemy, this is extremely difficult to handle. when fighting against an ekko, it requires great skill and planning to engineer a fight that will not cause utter loss against him. and this is the biggest reason. Ekko's number one counter is being able to hold him still. but there has yet to be a champion (to my knowledge) that has succeeded in consistently being able to hold him still because of this ability. someone attempts to get a stun on ekko that isn't a target stun (which are few and far between to my memory). he can in most cases use this ability to not only avoid the attack as a good escape. but turn it around. if his q isn't doing damage to you, this ability will. because not only is it a great escape as well as a great gap closer, but it does great damage when paired with his kit. he can and will half health you with this ability paired with a lich bane. it is insanely strong. and versatile in use. a great gap closer and an amazing damage out put, it is very hard to avoid this bursting ability.

Chronobreak: This is the last piece of the puzzle that is Ekko's kit. this is the ability that takes a single game to get used to and use correctly. and I have to say, it does too much. this ability is not only a saving grace to any assassin, basically a free second chance to pop in to their team and kill someone. most assassins have their greatest weakness lie in after bursting down one enemy, they have to wait a while or they are entirely out of the fight, due to taking too much damage for it to be a good idea to go in again. Ekko's ult fixes this, it allows Ekko to completely remove all that damage done. he gets to go back and do it again. if this was all it did, this would probably be a well balanced ultimate, and a nice gift to an assassin. but instead, it has to do 130% ap scaling damage in an almost lane wide area of effect. that is correct, to any who didn't know the numbers, it does a 130% total ability power plus 200/500/700 damage to the area around him. to the average adc, ap carry, and non tank support/jungle. this is almost two thirds of their health if not more. this ability allows for Ekko to walk out of a fight unscathed, or. destroy an enemy team.

The biggest reason Ekko is overpowered. is that he can not be countered by a strategy, or a champion. you have to play against him hoping he will make a mistake, which is very hard to do. seeing as he has a kit with three slows, one stun, one gap closer, one heal, outrageous scaling and base damage, a dodge, a poke, easy one-shot capabilities. and a shield that scales 80% of his ability power, given to him just so long as he steps into his W, he doesn't have to land it. his Kit leads to unending possibilities of kiting, poking, assassination, Consistent damage, Amazing chase, Mobility, recover, and probably more I can not name. he has to much. and the worst part about it, is that it does not take skill to use. as mentioned before, he can up and miss half of his kit and still kill you. he is designed to be broken. he is a whole team in this meta, built into one, unkillable package. and if you do kill him. there are four other enemies to face, and I can guarantee that killing him will have dealt enough damage to your team to feel like you just went through a team fight. if he doesn't just Warp to your Carry as soon as they get in range to help kill him, one shot the carry, ult onto another carry, then hop and almost kill your third carry. I can not see how Riot, a company with large amounts of experience in Balancing champs, can publish such an obviously overpowered champion, and not even nerf him. thanks for reading my rant, correct me where I am wrong, that is for the better, and here is to hoping he is nerfed for the fun of the LOL community.

KazaLyn Shao6/1/2015, 7:25:00 PM2 votes

The damage on his ult is only half the issue. It's a great escape and a great heal ON TOP of great damage, which it shouldn't be. He doesn't need a dash, AND a stun, AND a slow. He doesn't need all the garbage they packed into his abilities, plain and simple.

The Biggest16/2/2015, 4:22:12 AM1 votes

When this champion was out so many people rekt me with this champion and this is not fun. Even i play as Fiora and i was so fed till ekko in the mid lane rekt me. Even its not that every game I start there a ekko what the point of this champion. i thought that ekko was a fighter and use ap i was right but i never see so many people play him. he getting so many ban and it he Q W E and the most annoying one his ult. I dont get these people playing with him he just the new guy. Just look at bard and no one likes playing with him. So ekko is a very strong champion even a fizz cant beat him. PLZ nerf this champion.

BeatzBoyFTW6/2/2015, 4:52:29 AM1 votes

His ult has a really big AoE damage & the fact it is insta-cast. His ult could really use a damage nerf, & having a cast time of at least 0.5 seconds.

Lugg6/2/2015, 5:29:49 AM1 votes

Well considering that you can be fed Gold player and the Ekko is a non fed Bronze player, the Ekko will still win most of the fights. Nuff said.

Loserchair6/3/2015, 11:27:53 AM1 votes

here is my view... for one he deals way too much damage anyone that can 1 shot someone by pressing 1 key is downright overpowered. as well as this he has a built in heal, shield, stun, slow and a movespeed buff. You say that LB and Zed are overpowered but last time i checked Zed had no cc and LB has 1 move with cc when ekko has way more. Another point that can be made is that in ekko's promotional video Ekko still had broken bones and bruises, so why when you play him in game does his ult heal? yes Ekko needs a nerf and at the same time Zed and LB do too the difference being you at least have to combo your skills to kill someone with the latter.

UGLY EG1RL6/21/2015, 10:04:18 PM1 votes

i agree with you, i started playing league not too long ago (like 2 or 3 months) but since my whole family is a lol family i learned a lot, i've been playing supp for a long time and moved on to mid, maining ekko, i had bad and good games. sometimes i had to go against myself and i found out that his q is REALLY EASY to juke. he is also a "hard champion to play", if u see me and my bro playing ekko, there is a big difference since he is a lot better than me in general. To go against him you have to be AWARE. his q, easy to dodge. his w, some ppl would walk right into it. When using w, if ur opponents cannot see U then they cant see ur W. but i still juke his W last sec for a BEGINNER. Also when engaging in combat always use w, i still use lock screen, but for ppl who dont they can beat "amateur " asses. Not only applying ekko, u just have to be skilled. They didnt even think and try to counter him and everybody is like NERF NERF NERF there was this one game with yi in all chat saying ekko too op, he needs to be nerfed, yi is op in my opinion, when i see my bro playing, he is beating everyones asses, he's more skilled. Ekkos r, just pay attention to his ghost, i always do that to the opponents ekko, he has LOTS of weaknesses. he can slow, he can "heal", he can dash, he can "teleport", he can stun. his q is easy to dodge (in early mid lane game his q is everything, so try best to dodge it), his w is easy to get away from, its shield isnt that long, he doesnt have much hp, and he is mana hungry), just watch his ghost thats what its there for u to see, its hard to "hide" with ur ghost there, so much things to say. when playing ekko you have to be calm, organized and think fast i watch lots of ekko vids and its the skills of the player that make ekko op, im just saying that there is no need to nerf him (part of reason because i play him) but most reason is that ppl r just being annoying whiny butts, like kat is op. karthus is op. darius is op. but since ekko is new everyones eyes r on him and complaining about how stupidly strong he is. there was this one game when i was against kat and my team was like "dw ekko is stupidly strong" and like no they say it like ekko is playing, in the end everyone fed her and i cant rlly go against her since, everyone fed her, so.... period. so

  1. y dont u guys play as him since hes so op (derp)
  2. maybe because, he is harder to play than a lot of champions (derp)
  3. there r many ppl trashing bout ekko but wat about others?
  4. sure nerf him until he is so weak and no one plays him any more and any one can kill him
  5. the mana cost and dmg for q is a huge slap in the face, its not my fault u cant juke it when its so goddam easy to, in mid lane its everything, champs like yasuo or something can easily match him or be better. yasuo's shield for ekko's q when there comes times u cant juke it, all other things.
  6. i dont agree on making the mana cost bigger and less dmg for the q, BUT i do agree on nerfing his ult a little.
  7. its ur fault u went to his w, not careful enuf, make sure ur teammates ping look out for him, it isnt for ekko to land his w and stun u at the right timing unless its a team fight or something
jDVL20eCYs6/21/2015, 10:08:50 PM1 votes

don't even try reason with all this low elos. ty just cry cause they have nothing better for it. the need to seek help or mental problems :)

Ewokeon7/1/2017, 10:00:02 PM1 votes

I play Ekko to a small extent and I can say, ive never had a struggle with him, this is because nearly every part of his kit is counterable.

How to counter his... Passive = Don't allow him to hit his 3 attacks on you and you should be fine, you can prevent him from this by just not going near him, give him space during laning phase, around 2 to 3 teemos worth of space should do, and look out for his Q, w or E animation as it probably means hes about to go in on you

Q = Try not to stay near him as the cast for the spell is quick, however after a short period of time it begins to move slowly, just don't walk into it and don't stay between him and the Q. its practically impossible to avoid his Q yet its what fucks everyone up, if he uses his E and then Q's, simply dodge it, the animation of him flicking it out takes a while so u could probably walk out the way

W = A large AOE stun that also gives him a shield," how the hell do you counter that" you must be thinking. a ghost of him appears when he casts the ability and it takes 4 seconds for the AOE to land, so when you see the W ghost animation, it means he's placed the W, be logical on where he's played the AOE, they usually place the AOE ontop of you so just move from where you were standing.

E = When he rolls he has to wait around 0.5 seconds to then teleport into you, so when you see him roll just stay away from him, this will probably result on him using his E on a minion or chasing you to try and hit his teleport onto you, if he does hit you with this then hell probably dish out his combo and cause you him to get the 3 stack movement speed. allowing him to run away.

R = keep an eye on where his ult ghost is, he will use it when you're on top of the ghost or if he's low, so simply stay away from standing on top

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Dracid5/31/2015, 1:04:11 AM1 votes

lol you lost me at Zed isn't counterable. He is probably the most counterable assassin in the game. So many things avoid his ult which is now even worse after the last nerf to it.

Titanium705/31/2015, 1:17:57 AM1 votes

I never played aginst a good Ekko... i played him my selfe a couple of times... Still I consider this Champ broken - Q-E-R(porting back to lane with homeguards is stupid though) i´m totally fine with... but W... this Spell is superior! 2.25s for 30 Mana at Level 1 thats.. nonsense! Its Range is hilarious its warning is non-existant - I cant do anything but laugh about this broken shit! Everytime I hit it I remeber this "But 3s delay" from Ekko-Fans... (No offense it´s a funny Champ but open your eyes!).

LTS TK6/1/2015, 7:14:56 PM1 votes

ok chase means die and no chase means he can be alive

Strawberrycocoa6/1/2015, 7:34:11 PM1 votes

I think one of his 3 slowing skills is going to have the slow removed eventually, probably Q. Passive slow requires commitment to a combo and W slow is telegraphed and avoidable.