@Riot Why does Karma's Ulted E only grants +30 shield at Mantra Level 1?

Kylemnestra·8/9/2015, 7:01:48 PM·1 votes·556 views

Hi all,

As you guessed its about Karma's Shield.

Lets take a look at Karma 's Shield values: 80/ 110/ 140/ 170/ 200 (+50%)

Mantra:

  • 30 / 90/ 150/ 210 (+30%)

So if you would Mantra E on Level 3 [Lets assume you got 1 point in it] you will single target shield for 110 and AOE for 55.

So, lets take a look at Sona s AOE Shield: 35/ 55/ 75/ 95/115 (+20%) (+10/20/40)

So A Sona with 2 Points in her W has the same base AOE Shield than Karma WITH her Mantra.

I mean, after the removal of the Damage component, Karma's RE is supposed to be "The fat shield" or am I wrong (with MS)?

So Sona, when maxing W first has an equal Base Shield even post Level 6 with Karmas Ulted E.

Even If you compare Karmas "Old RE" With the Damage AND the Shield it seems kinda weak :/

Before you had 60/ 140/ 220/ 300 (+60% AP) AOE Damage and a 30/ 70/ 110/ 150 (+30%) Aoe Shield.

This doesnt seem that fair. If you would compare "point by point" Karma "lost" 240 Points and 60% scaling on her E AND it does not proc her Passive anymore. You might say her Passive got buffed in exchange for that but still it leaves a bitter taste as you feel punished for using Mantra on E now too.

So Mantra E should be stronger. + 30 / 90/ 150/ 210 (+30%) ---> + 60/ 140/ 220/ 300 (+45%)

Thoughts?

2 Comments

Nameless Voice8/9/2015, 7:17:53 PM1 votes

Because her level 1 manta is an "ultimate" skill that she gets for free at level 1. It's supposed to be quite weak until she actually points a point into it at level 6. Pre-level 6, you use the mantra for the bonus effect, not so much for the extra damage or shield.

Aeolian Melodies8/9/2015, 8:08:26 PM1 votes

did you... just fucking try to imply that Sona's W shield is good? rofl

  1. she needs to tag allies with a 300 range aura
  2. it lasts for like 2 seconds
  3. Karma's comes with MS, Sona's does not
  4. rank 2 W actually takes a while because she is forced to max Q

smh