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I don't know how Yuumi made release like this.

NaughtyWord·5/16/2019, 7:53:02 PM·14 votes·9,236 views

Dear Riot,

I know you lean on the playerbase to figure champions out before making adjustments, and I get that, you are far from the only developer in the world to do that. I want to know how this champion made release.

My problem with Yuumi isn't that she's weak. This is not a numbers thing. She just has no point. "Jack of all trades master of none" seems to be the fitting adage. Let's take a few examples so I can articulate my thoughts precisely.

Why do people pick Sona ? What does she bring to the table?

Well she has great poke, decent healing, and some CC. When my support picks her I think "Oh good, we'll get some good poke and sustain in there." I get excited for that when my support picks her.

Why do people pick Lux ? What does she bring to the table?

Well she's a CC monster rivaled only by Leona and Morgana and a shield to boot. I get excited about that when my support picks her.

Why do people pick Soraka ? What does she bring to the table?

Phenomenal healing along with a silence and poke.

I'm struggling to see what there is to be excited about with Yuumi . I really am. I'm trying to be positive with this champion and you've made it as difficult as you possibly could. Everything is just bland. Not to mention that because she is untargetable means all poke gets directed at me the ADC. She's not a great healer, her poke is substandard, her peel is substandard, her CC is substandard. Literally the only high-point she has is she is untargetable which is useless to the ADC, hell to anyone but her.

Did you have a bunch of sycophants playtest her? How about the developers themselves? Did you playtest her? I'm honestly curious because this champion has glaring and deep flaws from a philosophical standpoint to numbers.

38 Comments

Kazekiba5/16/2019, 8:03:03 PM5 votes

Maybe yuumi players should only attach when they need to. %missing health heal is amazingly strong especially when backed by a 250 (+40%ap) shield.

From what I saw on PBE she seemed on the strong side. You just have to play her right

ModAcademy Kayn5/17/2019, 1:43:51 AM4 votes

Maybe we're all just dumb and she's actually the first 200 IQ champ.

Crispy0Snake5/16/2019, 8:45:59 PM4 votes

No, it's absolutely her numbers, I think it's going to be like how many times they had to change and then hotfix Kai'Sa... a lot

They increased Darius's damage until he was viable in pro play and now every time you get solo'd by him you can think "this is the damage he needs to function at that level :^)" if you haven't played toplane I think you can't fully understand Riot's ability to whack up the damage until a champion gets a 50% winrate

Yuumi is a support that helps you kite, and chase. The amount of use you can get out of her is pretty comp dependent. You can guarantee she'll be nuts in high elo/pro play and trash in iron-gold

The DrBonjigollo5/16/2019, 11:41:39 PM2 votes

I think Yuumi's main thing is the mutual ap/ad buff, I currently can't think of any other champ that straight buffs any allies' damage output but the numbers for it are so negligible that maxing W early pales in comparison to a better heal (E) or slow (Q). It seems to me that people forgets she even does that.

Imo Yuumi seems like an extra Mastery Page rather than a champion, but I'm okay with that. She's an untargetable cat that occasionally deals damage and shields. [Aery] She rides on a book and has the option to opt out of Flash Ignite/Exhaust/Heal unlike other supports. [Spellbook] Restores mana by attacking champions. [Manaband] Adaptive ap/ad buff. [Absolute Focus/Gathering Storm] Am I missing anything?

Karn Bishop5/16/2019, 11:24:21 PM2 votes

In fairness you have played with her twice with one of two champions yuumi is basically confirmed to have anti synergies with Sivir Ezreal, i left kalista out because nobody plays her but i assume that would be terrible to combo into.

Your also running dark harvest sivir which can be quite the disadvantage trade wise early so yes i can see why you personally would struggle when playing with a yuumi support.

Stray Kat5/17/2019, 4:05:00 AM2 votes

She brings a super amazing roaming support to the table. Play her with something like a Hecarim Jungle and a botlane who can safely clear their waves 2v1(No, it won't work in every situation), and ride that Pony till the enemy ragequits. Go to your lane when necessary, but any chance you get hop on that pony and take a ride to ganksville - It's incredibly strong having an invulnerable 3rd teammate involved in a gank/2nd teammate in a jungle invade.

I've also had many situations where I've dove on an enemy, bursted them to 5-15% of their health, and suddenly they're near full health while I'm being rooted/slowed, and standing there looking like a goon.

She's just a totally new concept, one that isn't played like any other champion in the game - Once people realize that she's a new meta all by herself, I think she'll be just fine. I'd expect her to be P/B with a stellar winrate in pro play, for example.

Edit - I'm by no means saying she doesn't need a little adjustment here or there - But she's definitely not worthless like everyone suggests. Seeing two enemies who work well together with a Yuumi that knows what they're doing is definitely a scary sight. The ability for her to always be directly with her teammate without risk of getting picked off is just so valuable in a ton of situations. You're never wandering alone if a Yuumi is there. Even if you get caught out by CC from a bush you went to ward, she can keep fighting for you and keep you alive - Without having to keep herself in range and out of danger in the traditional manner.

Craft Zeppelin5/16/2019, 10:06:15 PM2 votes

I think what duo bot has in mind is mutual partnership. Yuumi in my eyes, she cannot live without a host, and does nothing in particular. It looks more like parasitism more than a mutual symbiosis to me.

Latching on achieves nothing special and only benefits Yuumi for her to make a meatshield out of the ADC

DarwinTheory5/17/2019, 12:01:44 PM1 votes

So when RIOT make super toxic kit champs the forums cry.

But when RIOT make super average champs the forums cry.

............

Sathelight5/17/2019, 1:05:19 PM1 votes

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Why do people pick Lux ? What does she bring to the table?

Well she's a CC monster rivaled only by Leona and Morgana and a shield to boot. I get excited about that when my support picks her.

Hmm. People play Lux with Doran's ring as support, which denies them gold, and still expect to deal mid lane dmg so it's probably a bad example.

Everytime I pick Lux to play her like an actual support people call this a troll pick even now that the aftershock build has been approved by Korea :O (And yes I know it has been nerfed already but people played it mostly for armor/mr boost so it should stil be viable)

Malix Farwin5/17/2019, 1:57:32 PM1 votes

OP i disagree with you but not for the reasons you may think. I believe on paper using the "what does she bring to the table" it sounds okay i can say on paper she brings: poke, buff, shield and some sustain. The problem with Yuumi is the limitations and degree of the things she brings. Poke? Limited by the adc's footwork on top of typical skillshot limits. Sustain? Requires you to be latched on the target and very underwelming. Shield? Pretty much have to somehow proc it without the enemy getting a trade off on you to me worth it. Buff? Requires latching as well.

Ultimately it seems like per playstyle is kinda at odds with each other. she has an passive that gives her a shield when she autos someone but the shield is both too weak and the rest of her kit is dead unless she is attached to something.

DeadUnborn5/17/2019, 3:01:15 PM1 votes

nah yummi is fine. She isn't op and she isn't trash. The problem is she benefits to much from coordinated play vs regular play. Play her with a premade that actually know what they are doing and you will notice your performance increase. What she brings to the table is enhancing a champion's ability to do well with their kil. For pokers/long range she has Q, for short ranged champions she has the heal and movement speed and for engage/ peel she has ult (if you sinergyze ult with mf's, lux's, sejuani's or zac's it is incredible)

I believe she will be the same as kayle, where we all think she is trash until we realize she isn't... also tons of people play her with flash when she doesn't need it. Maybe even playing her with unsleaded spellbook would be good

Ahri Body Pillow5/17/2019, 8:52:27 PM1 votes

"Lux is a CC monster rivaled only by Leona and Morg"

Alistar Blitzcrank Braum Janna Nautilus Thresh Zyra : "oof"

Fair Champion5/17/2019, 10:05:42 PM1 votes

I mean, you're right, she is a jack of all trades, but the point is that she can do pretty much everything.

Bard can heal. Not as well as Soraka, but he can heal. He can all in - not as well as Thresh, but he still can. He can poke - he's no Karma, but he can still do it.

He is worse than every other support at what they specialize in. But he can rapidly shift his playstyle to counter whatever the enemy laner is doing. It's why he's one of the strongest supports when he's mastered. Yuumi is pretty similar. She poke, sustain, or all in with her ult depending on the enemy lane.

Then late game comes and she gives ridiculous stats. Honestly, the hotfix made her a little too good IMO, coming from someone who's played quite a bit of her.

wolvius5/17/2019, 12:27:47 AM1 votes

But she a cat is that not worth anything to you...... https://www.riotgames.com/darkroom/1440/656220f9ab667529111a78aae0e6ab9f:10e46504aa7f70eb33ef43ee464cb2d4/01-logo.png

######riot logo tier originality strikes again

But seriously your right there is no clear strength to her, shes just an irritating gimmick that is classified as a champion.

yuumi veigir in aram sounds painful though.
l MrD l5/17/2019, 12:58:12 AM1 votes

i find that she enhances the bruisers/tanks uch as udyr and garen ... she literally empowers champions to make them do their job a lot easier and better which i dont think the other supports can do as well as yuumi

The traditional supports focus more on their carry where i beloieve yuumi isnt about that

FlameHalbrdOkido5/17/2019, 5:05:57 AM1 votes

I think the issue is that she seems like a lot of her power is focused for late game scaling, its not like she's going to transform or anything late game like other champs, but basically she's useless early game and then becomes a proper support thats capable of healing and shielding well LATE game when her allies and herself have a lot of AD/AP for her to make use of. But until then she's very lack luster...the only issue is: U need a gud support B4 u get to late game, otherwise wats the point b/c u might not make it

but yes shes VERY boring cause she doesn't bring much to the table, like sure the attach mechanic is cool but its not REALLY that interesting, mean its basically kinda what Rakan's E does without needing to eat up a full ability slot. I would LOVE to see her shield become stronger or more interesting because rn the passive is pretty lame, either seeing more mechanical skill requirements or more mechanically interesting going on with the shield like a stacking mechanic, maybe for each W cast up to a cap.

Or maybe we could ACTUALLY get some teleportation/portals in her kit when thats a HUGE part of her lore?

Don't sleep on LATE game Yuumi, ive been saved QUITE a few times, but again that ONLY if u get to late game, and both u and Yuumi have strong AD/AP, if u don't get there...its not gonna be fun, and yeah early game Yuumi where lots of people see her...nothing to write home about. The ONLY thing she's got going for her is the attach mechanic, but when u get down to it...its not ALL that interesting and as a SUPPORT: it doesn't do enough

14daysuspensionk5/17/2019, 8:04:40 AM1 votes

Well...atleast they didn't make her broken on release like they did with some other champs...

Pika Fox5/17/2019, 11:14:00 AM1 votes

Yuumi has far better heal and shield potential than all other non soraka supports, with far better fight control than soraka.

She is a pure enchanter, giving buffs to damage, shields and heals as well as hefty slow and team snare.

SirHydro5/17/2019, 11:54:07 AM1 votes

Since the star guardian skins (the ones with "pets" for the skins) Riot wanted to make a "pet" champion.

And they did.

And it sucked.

Congratulations.