Elo Hell - The reality.

Odyssey Sona··1 votes·704 views

The answer is there is and isn't elo hell.

There is no such thing as elo hell on paper. Statistically if you play better than your peers, you will climb above them. This is fact.

The type of losses that stem from an elo hell scenario being 'my team is holding me back' would be throwing the game at baron because 4 people decided to do it, and you join in for the sake of doing it faster. You knew the baron was a bad call, but your team did it anyway. You wiped and lost because they were bad and you were good.

Some of us learn by observing so another reality of Elo Hell is smurfing and getting worse by picking up bad habit. You can be stuck in 'elo hell' because all you observe is bad play. Try to watch streams if this is the case.

Lastly -- you have to win differently at certain elos. Unless you can overpower the enemy in a 1 v 5 one man army scenario if you're playing in let's say bronze 4 and you're roughly plat 3 and above, then you might need to employ cheesy tactics. Silver is very bad at closing games out so hard engage champions such as amumu and ping spamming is probably my recommendation.

If you need some advice on the specific methods I recommend winning with in each division here they are. The zz rot one is extra cheesy but it's very effective in specifically gold and probably silver too, but I won't list it there because no one will buy ZZ rots in that elo.

How to win/not lose in every elo, as if you belonged in that elo.

Bronze: Hard engage// also probably assassins if you can play one correctly // Split push if done correctly.

Silver: Hard engage // still probably assassins if you can play one correctly

Gold: Catch and artillery mages like Lux and Xerath can carry really well here due to how teams figured out how to siege properly at this point // Hard engage // catches in general are super important // ZZ rot spam can draw games out and force mistakes if you need a miracle

Plat: same as gold but work on mechanics // know that if you specifically get caught it'll cost you a lot // wait for throws

Diamond: If you get caught the game is basically over // focus on playing carefully // practice mechanics //smart engages while behind can make up for differences as people will rarely throw in this tier so you might as well try to catch up somehow

7 Comments

Randomonium2 votes

Very useful advice. A little something I'd like to add. I like to break down games into 5 types:

Type 5: 20% of the time the enemy team is way better than your team (this includes games with feeders/trolls on your team.) These games are pretty much automatic losses.

Type 4: 20% of the time the enemy team is, on average, better than your team. In these games the only way you win is if you absolutely hard carry the game (i.e. high cs, high KDA, high kill participation, high number of objectives destroyed.)

Type 3: 20% of the time the teams are evenly matched. Whether or not you win these games is dependent upon whether you play better or worse than the average person at your elo.

Type 2: 20% of the time your team is, on average, better than the enemy team. In these games you just have to play smart and you'll win (i.e. not suicide, flame your team, throw at baron, etc.)

Type 1: 20% of the time your team is way better than the enemy team (this includes games with feeders/troll on the enemy team.) These games are pretty much automatic wins as long as you don't troll/afk.

If you win all of your Type 1 and Type 2 games that puts you automatically at a 40% win rate. Next, if you win the majority of your Type 3 games that will put you above a 50% win rate and you will climb. The reason why so many people have difficulty climbing is they go on tilt after losing a Type 4 or Type 5 game and they carry that anger into subsequent games, play worse than normal, and lose a Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 game that they could have won had they not been on tilt.

Ad Vitam Aeterna1 votes

You've never managed to get out of low gold after 3 seasons, how are you going to comment on Plat and diamond if you've never been there?

Odyssey Sona1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ad Vitam Aeterna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJqdVBLE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-01T20:38:15.307+0000)

You've never managed to get out of low gold after 3 seasons, how are you going to comment on Plat and diamond if you've never been there?

This is my forum account and not my main but nice try!

Edit: Been busy with work and school, but I just finished placements for this season a few days ago and I hit P1 off the bat.

Ad Vitam Aeterna1 votes

I hit challenger earlier on my main. Believe me? You shouldn't, anyone can make any claim, all we have to go on is what we type on. I'm not afraid to type on my main

Odyssey Sona1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ad Vitam Aeterna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJqdVBLE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-01T21:11:01.689+0000)

I hit challenger earlier on my main. Believe me? You shouldn't, anyone can make any claim, all we have to go on is what we type on. I'm not afraid to type on my main

I mean I'm sorry I'm a private person, but anyone from higher divisions will know that what I'm saying is pretty much fact. The highest I got is Diamond 1, but I'm just extrapolating plat mostly. Diamond is a more refined, more careful and wiser division capable of closing out a game off of the simplest of mistakes. Players in diamond rarely throw compared to their lower counterparts.

I was trying to be nice by summarizing all of the data I collected, and one of the users in this thread was nice enough to do so as well. No need to be a debby downer. Feel free to not believe me and ignore my information which is 1) free, 2) can't hurt to listen to.

Thales2251 votes

Bro, sometimes your team is absolute trash and there is nothing you an do about it. All I'm gonna say...

Odyssey Sona1 votes

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Bro, sometimes your team is absolute trash and there is nothing you an do about it. All I'm gonna say...

You're not wrong. That's not an elo hell issue, that's an issue in every elo.

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