Saw This Guy in the Comment Section
He's got a point
He's speaking about how if you have a winning streak/higher mmr you will be placed with much more lower mmr players. He deserves more people to see this
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It doesn't actually work like that though, so it's somewhat misleading to promote it.
You're matchmade with approximately equal mmr people, regardless of what your mmr is. Sometimes, especially when premades are involved, you do end up with scenarios where there will be a higher than average (for that game) mmr and a lower than average (for that game) mmr person together, but that's a match time thing, and waiting forever for exactly equal MMR people isn't viable.
And it's not that the 60% winrate person is necessarily going to be the higher than average mmr person, it's just as likely that they'll be the lower than average person if they happen to be matchmade into an overall higher mmr game. It's just because of negativity bias people are much more likely to notice the times when theres an obviously weaker player in their game, and not notice when they themselves are the weaker player, or even when they're the average player and it's two other players that are above/below average.
Um I dont think it actaully works like that. I climbed from S4 to G5 with a 68% win rate last season and climbed back to gold with a 65% win rate this season. This doesn't happen. It matches people based on their MMR, not their WR. So it actually is completely feasible for an S3 player with a really good win rate to get matched with a G3 player with a bad winrate.
Although this does happen, I've never once noticed a bias of only putting people with horrendous WR on my team. Does it happen? Yeah. Did it specifically target me and only give me people with bad winrates everygame? Nope. Doesn't work like that
This has been discussed for years no action has ever been taken. If you think people are toxic simply because they are assholes take a look at what this lad mentioned in his comment then think again why would ONE be frustrated and end up venting in game.
Explains why after my friends and i go on hard win streaks everyone suddenly starts losing insane amounts in a row. It's kind of like forcing us to be in a 50-50
Nobody knows the MMR system so all of this could be completely incorrect. However Riot keeping MMR system secret for so many years is a sure sign it's probably not fair.
The only time I have ever seen the Placement games work properly was when I had a team long ago... In 3v3's and we would go until beaten then delete the team and start over.
Besides that, I have seen them "balance" team by having myself and another with over 56% win ratios balanced with a teammate that has a 28%(and its not the lowest I have seen)
I agree that something needs to change. When my MMR starts to get high, I get saddled with 4 teammates the next 10 games that Faker couldn't even carry.
I'm pretty sure the game has some kind of "streak protection" so if you're on a winning streak it becomes increasingly more difficult to win games and if you're on a losing streak it becomes increasingly more difficult to lose games. Any "evidence" I have is anecdotal but I am fairly confident that this "streak protection" exists.
One example of a possible implementation of this could be if you win 10 games in a row even if it puts you on a team of equal MMR it might put you with team mates who have all lost 10 games in a row so either your streak or their streak will be broken.
They do it on purpose. So that you cannot reach your actual elo in a fast way. It's made to force you to grind play the game.
In WoW arenas, you didnt need more than 150 games to reach your actual elo, it doesnt matter which elo it was. And those streaks didnt exist either. And that was an elo based team game, exactly like LoL. The difference? the matchmaking in LoL is OBVIOUSLY adulterated. My guess? they do it, as I've said, to force you to grind.
This system is so stupid. I know my comment will not be related that much to this.. but if a challenger smurfs iin low elo he should have no losses at all. But he will because of that system.
Two ways of managing the MMR matchmaking.
- you match equal mmr players. After (and only after) a lot of games played, players, once they reach their actual elo, will begin to get 50% W/L ratio. If you start at 1500 and you belong to 2200, you will NEVER have less than 50% W/L ratio, since climbing you had more than 50% W/L and once you reach 2200, you have 50% W/L ratio.
If you start at 1500 but you belong to 800, you will NEVER have more than 50% W/L ratio, since you are <50% while going down, and you will only reach 50% W/L ratio once you get to 800.
This is the WoW mmr arenas way of working, for instance. While climbing, losing streaks dont happen, while going down winning streaks dont happen. (if they happen they are very very short, and really spaced in time).
- you try to force a 50% W/L on every player with small deviations in their current elo. If they are winning you fuck their lifes every time a little bit more until they cannot carry anymore, then you put them in a winning (unloseable) streak to even the W/L ratio. If the players are losing, you put them with really good teammates until the players cannot avoid to be carried, once again, if needed, you revert the streak to even the W/L ratio. Eventually, they will reach their actual elo, and you will not have to fuck their lifes/give them awesome teammates because they are already in a 50%W/L ratio, since they are now at their actual elo.
This is the LoL mmr way or working. Streaks happen all the time, all.the.time.
BOTH ARE FAIR. With both of them you will get the elo you deserve, BUT, the second way will require WAY WAY WAY more games to reach your actual elo, plus IS TOXIC AS FUCK.
I hate the way LoL manages mmr, tbh. I hate too the hypocrisy in all that anti-toxic speech from riot, when they are the ones responsible of that toxicity, they dont care about promoting toxicity as long as you are forced to grind your elo and play more games.
EDIT: btw, dont tell me "source?" because riot will never admit that.
O there is a reason why,
If a enemy is duo with lets say a gold and the person is a platinum then for Riot to balance the crap system out is to give the enemy side a random platinum member(Which is you) in a full gold team expecting you to carry the crap even though the enemy has higher gold players then your gold.
That is not at all how mmr works; When you win your MMR goes up and when you lose your MMR goes down; For example I could have a 50% win rate while in plat but my friend who just got into plat could have a 70% win rate with the same MMR;THe system does not take the winrate into matter it just takes the fact that we both have the same MMR, and places us together. (And a few other algorithms but thats the main one)
For the love of Christ this needs a red response. This shit drives me up a wall.
I don't really think that's how it works. It's not going to put you with people with a lower win rate just for the sake of doing it. They're putting you with people that are around the same MMR. You might happen to have a higher win rate, but it doesn't count for as much i f you've been playing against people of lower ELO and the other has been playing against people at a higher ELO.
This is frustrating when you're playing support and you're the highest MMR on your team. There is only so much a support can do to make up for the mistakes of your team. You can lead an adc to a kill but you can't make them attack them.
Well i got 100% win rate on Shaco (1W / 0L). With who should i be placed?