Wait... Swain can heal with his ult during Zhonya's active???

DonkeyShow69·6/9/2016, 12:33:38 AM·1 votes·4,315 views

Edit 3: I think I need to put this up front so everyone sees it first: Swain hits ult, hits Zhonya's, goes invulnerable. The ravens fly out and deal damage. This I am okay with. What I am not okay with is that they fly BACK to Swain, who is invulnerable, and they heal him.

Edit 4: Lol are you guys really gonna act like you knew a damn thing about this champion 3 patches ago? Please...

I recently had an experience during a team fight where the enemy Swain, who was very ahead (go figure), got caught out by my teammates and used Zhonya's active while his ult was active because he was about to die. My team grouped around him and waited for Zhonya's to end, only to find that doing so allowed swain to heal from ~15% to ~60% health. During that time, Swain's teammates arrived and forced a fight, and we didn't have enough burst to finish him. We lost the fight and eventually the game.

I just don't believe this should be possible at all. Basically my argument is that the point of Zhonya's active is to buy yourself some time, not to buy yourself some time AND free healing. I actually don't believe any champion should be able to heal during Zhonya's at all, just because of how extremely advantageous that is compared to champions who can utilize Zhonya's but not heal during the active.

I think there should be a double-standard when it comes to invulnerability, except in cases which the very point of the invulnerability is to heal (Vlad W for example).

Thoughts?

Edit: I should have been clearer on my main point. I think it's fine that his ult can be active during Zhonya's, but I just don't think he should be able to HEAL during the Zhonya's. He has to come close to enemies to be able to heal at all, and usually the trade-off is that he takes damage doing so. But the fact that he can just Zhonya's and heal up is just busted to me.

Edit 2 (another re-iteration): It's fine that a champion can deal damage while invulnerable, because that damage is dished out to champions who AREN'T invulnerable. But if Swain can't be affected by any other champions during Zhonya's, then why can he be affected by the birds that fly out towards enemy champions to deal damage, and then BACK to him to heal him? They should just do damage without healing him while Zhonya's is active.

19 Comments

EcchiOtakuTM6/9/2016, 4:03:58 AM3 votes

So the way it's always worked for 6/7 years now? It's nothing new.......

GreenLore6/9/2016, 12:40:28 AM1 votes

Yes he can and as far as i remember he was always able to do that.

It's just like Fiddle and Morgana are able to use zhonyas while they have their ults active and I think it also works for Karthus's E and Maokais ult as well(though I'm not sure about those 2 since I don't play them that often)

freebuck6/9/2016, 12:42:17 AM1 votes

I think it's ok. If you took it away from Swain, it would make it really unfair because so many champs like fiddle with his ult rely on using zhonyas and dmgin.

GaleWinUnleashed6/9/2016, 12:46:03 AM1 votes

I've been here 5 years. Zhonya's has never stopped his ult in my experience.

Weathered6/9/2016, 12:52:09 AM1 votes

Yes, he can. If I remember right Riot even used the mechanic in part of their balancing, so it will most likely not being gotten rid of.

Kai Guy6/9/2016, 3:12:50 AM1 votes

First this is not a new interaction. This is a part of swains playpattern and has been for long period of time, your solution is to cc him as he attempts to rush into the center of your team or move out a bit of his range. Be glad they added a delay onto his Ravens ability to retarget. Secondly Also almost every form of stasic or invul allows for one to heal. Examples Lissandra Has the ability to god mode and give her self a fat heal built into her kit. Tryndamere can be healed during his R and provides free rage to heal him more with a Q after it ends. Kayle can be healed and has one in her kit, also does not cc the units cast on. Bard ulti will stop cast or targeted heals but will not stop heals via item 3146 or champions with regen in their kits like DrMundo Volibear or to a less dramatic extent Singed . Kindred Is the only champion with a no heal mechanic and it only triggers when folks bottom out on hp, Then it heals champs on end anyhow...

Abyssphere6/9/2016, 4:11:17 AM1 votes

Everyone with the potential to heal during invulnerability can do it, Swain would be a very strange exception if he was changed. Anyone with Spell Vamp can heal during stasis, Vlad can heal from ult during stasis, Swain can heal from ult during stasis, Elise could heal from spiderlings during stasis until their heal was removed, etc.

The interaction stays, sorry.

PabloMaster543216/9/2016, 12:34:36 AM1 votes

Yeah, he can now, he used to not be able to, but now he can -_-.

jusho16/9/2016, 5:11:29 PM1 votes

are you new to the game?