We need another AP CDR Item

Actually xPeke·11/30/2015, 5:02:16 PM·143 votes·8,680 views

With the new masteries (45% CDR) cap not everyone can reach the CDR Cap efficiently.

The CDR Items for AP users are as follows: item 3165 item 3174 item 3115 item 3152 item 3100 item 3060 item 3092 item 3050

And item 3158 but that's not really limited to AP.

item 3152 item 3115 item 3100 Those aren't good on everyone, sure they work on Vladimir, Diana and Ekko.. but what about the others?

item 3060 item 3092 item 3050 Are more supportive items, i don't think you'll see a mage building this.

Leaving you with item 3174 item 3165 item 3158 item 3165 / item 3174 + item 3158 = 30% CDR. 35% with the mastery

My point: Mages that don't benefit from item 3152 item 3115 item 3100 item 3060 item 3092 item 3050 can't reach the cap the cap efficiently unless they use runes

TL;DR mages like Syndra Xerath Lux Brand Malzahar can't get 45% CDR unless:

  1. They build a inefficient item
  2. They build both Athene's and Morellonomicon
  3. Sacrafice magic resist for CDR runes

Why do mages that don't have inbuild CDR (zyra, ryze) need to spend a decent amount of IP on runes, and maybe even a new rune page purely to reach the CDR cap without building inefficiently?

UPDATE

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Max CDR should be optional. You can't have full offensive stats and %45 CDR in same time. You shouldn't have.

Which is why need another item with CDR. A new one. Staff of Flowing waters, or something else.

AP Mages: highest possible CDR item: 20%. need to sacrafice MR Pen boots and MR Resist glyphs to get 45% CDR efficiently.

ADCs: highest possible CDR item: 30%. now build deaths dance or triforce (both are good atm) and you have 45% CDR. no boots sacraficement, no glyph sacrafices.

Why are people that rely so heavily on spell casting, getting less CDR than those who can easily kill people with AA's?

218 Comments

Ticklish Tas11/30/2015, 9:40:54 PM9 votes

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TL;DR mages like Syndra Xerath Lux Brand Malzahar can't get 45% CDR unless:

  1. They build a inefficient item
  2. They build both Athene's and Morellonomicon
  3. Sacrafice magic resist for CDR runes

Yea that's the point you're supposed to make decisions and sacrifices should you have more defense or more damage you're not supposed to automatically get the best possible everything for every game building the exact same shit every game makes it stagnant you have to make strategic choices depending on the match

AzureInTheDark12/1/2015, 3:55:56 AM6 votes

All of this could probably be solved if they added in the Rite of Ruin/Pox Arcana/other Black Market Brawlers items and fitted them onto the rift.

King Odin12/1/2015, 1:22:32 AM6 votes

I run 10% scaling cdr glyphs [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] item 3174 item 3158

Bergk11/30/2015, 5:25:30 PM4 votes

item 3165 item 3174 item 3100 item 3152 item 3060 item 3115 item 3050 item 3092

(the second row wouldn't be amazing on most mages but they do work in certain scenarios)

There are only 5 AD + CDR items item 3508 item 3142 item 3812 item 3071 item 3078

Also "nerfs" lucidity boots??? I think trading 5% CDR for 10% CDR on Summoner Spells is AMAZING! That's a buff in my opinion.

Merkel x Tsipras12/1/2015, 11:46:24 AM3 votes

Because if mages can build alot CDR AND mana sustain AND AP its broken AP champions need to be slaves of their CDs

And dont even try to say "But ADC can AA for 1303490234340 damager per AA" that just stupid and you know it i have never see an adc deleting someone in 0.1 seconds ok? so stop it you know you say bs

And thank god the cancer brand cant take 45% cdr this champion is a CANCER atm that need huge nerfs aside with MALZ which he already gets some and thank god for that

DracaNova12/1/2015, 8:48:57 AM3 votes

I logged in on my main and 2 smurfs to up-vote this.

ThePartyLeader11/30/2015, 5:05:26 PM3 votes

I would think if it is an issue rito will fix with mage update. Sucks to wait that long but would seem weird to change itemization before a massive overhaul.

Seems odd that this only became an issue when essence reaver was changed. I don't see how adc cd reduction effects the strength of mages.

Espy Psyche11/30/2015, 5:19:13 PM2 votes

Mages still have item 3174 item 3165 if they use mana and that's the CDR cap right there.

The only issue exists for mages that don't use mana, which there are five of. Akali Katarina Kennen Rumble Vladimir

So if there was another CDR item to be added, it would have to not have mana or regen on it because that's the only champions that need it.

GunflameSmurf12/1/2015, 11:02:09 AM2 votes

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Leaving you with item 3174 item 3165 item 3158 item 3165 / item 3174 + item 3158 = 30% CDR. 35% with the mastery

Learning math op... item 3165 / item 3174 + item 3158 = 50% CDR. (only 40% in game because of maximum cap)

While I miss the easy 5% CDR mastery, you really dont know how to do math*[zombie-brand-facepalm]*

Rebonack11/30/2015, 5:56:20 PM2 votes

Just grab two scaling CDR quints or six blues. Pick up either item 3174 or item 3165 and follow up with item 3152 or item 3100.

Hitting the cap isn't terribly difficult. Would be nice if there were a few more options, though. More options are always a good thing.

Terchio12/1/2015, 3:39:44 AM1 votes

TL;DR mages like Syndra Xerath Lux Brand Malzahar can't get 45% CDR unless:

  1. They build a inefficient item
  2. They build both Athene's and Morellonomicon
  3. Sacrafice magic resist for CDR runes

item 3152 is crap. That's its only problem. It's hardly efficient on its best-fitting champs.

item 3100 can be used on any champion who can autoattack. And, unlike the list given by OP, would be ideal on a high-ranged attacker... like nearly every mage in the game.

item 3065 item 3504 item 3025 item 3110 are still options, they are just defensive means of getting your CDR. You'll need defense at some point, probably, and investing in a item 3108 , item 3067 , or item 3024 isn't that highly distracting.

And, runes are still in the game. Seriously, you can pile on like 50 AP at 18, or 30% CDR on Glyphs/Quints. You want to focus on your Luden's/Rabaddon's/Lich Bane mega-powered build, the options are there.

In my opinion, item 3504 item 3174 item 3060 item 3100 item 3165 item 3115 item 3152 looks more appealing than item 3508 item 3071 item 3142 item 3078 , and far more appealing than item 3115 , which is basically all hybrids get in CDR, though they are the true "speedslinger" class. Mages are for deleting fast, and rarely should obsess over cooldowns as much as a high-utility class, such as assassins and supports, nor a more DPS class, who would actually rely on multiple spellcasts.

To me, the issue here is the confused identity of the mage class as a whole. The whole class is generally less mobile and more bursty than anyone else, so why are they so bent on cooldowns? You wanting CDR with your Luden's? Personally, I think it was a mistake to put it on Lich Bane in the first place, regardless of the synergy...