Ahri, w or e max second?

I'd max Charm second for longer, early burst. Maxing Foxfire last will just make your burst more painful. Landing a maxed charm will give you a solid 2? second space to use something like DFG and blow someone up.

Max w definitely.

Ahri is an assassin. Your job is to melt a single target fast (although it's lovely that orb melts multiple targets! ).

These comments about e giving you longer burst... It's contradictory. Burst is supposed to be short and fast. Not long and drawn out to give their teammates time to peel. Besides, you're only getting 1 orb and 1 Foxfire in regardless of your level in e, so the longer cc is only going to get you extra AAs which don't do nearly as much damage as leveling up w.

The only reason to level e before w (aside from the first point, should start q e w or q e q w) would be if you know your adc will be out damaging you in mid game teamfights. ADCs are typically better late game though, so this is unlikely unless they're already really fed (and you have to make this decision at level 8, when they're probably level 6) and so maxing e before w seems to be not a good decision, at least in solo q.

Just think of how disappointed you'll be when your burst fails to kill someone and then their tank retaliates, initiating on your team that was attacking the charmed target, peeling you off and winning the fight 5-0. You're an assassin, choose damage over utility.

There is a huge mis conception I hear people saying about charm. Charm is a 1-2 sec CC (depends on lvl) with a 6 sec 20% damage amp AT ALL LEVELS.

This means when you lvl charm you only increase the CC duration and nothing else. Lvling W gives way more damage especially since it is amped by charm, and the CD is reduced.

So W second is better. Unless you feel like you need that CC duration (very reare)

Foxfire's long CD at lower ranks makes it extremely underwhelming until maxed. Charm is a one point wonder.

Faker usually only gets 2-3 points in E, then maxes W. I don't have a ton of experience on Ahri, but I'm assuming this is for the longer CC allowing Ahri to get her damage off; I'd probably follow this if I were playing Ahri, since most of what Faker does is very carefully calculated. If Faker is doing it, I'm assuming Ahri needs an extra 0.5 seconds on Charm to maximize her damage, but more than that is unnecessary. It's hard to tell without watching him play, but that's my best guess

depends, if i have to be the main-initiate i always go for Chamr at least rank 3 befo0re maxign w, if you can just fly around and deal silly dmg you´re fine with maxing w second.

bump other opinions? is charm the way to go second?

Upping W gives more damage and reduces its cool down, maxing E gives longer CC duration. I would consider it situational. I would say W is the better choice if you are fed and are doing the most damage already. E becomes a more attractive option if someone else is the most fed. Particularly when an enemy is fed and someone else on your team is far more capable of killing them than you are.

In short: if you are using charm mostly for the CC, max it. If you use it for the damage multiplier, max W.

Charm for me. The additional damage against charmed targets, longer charm time and the fear factor for dive happy opponents make it my second skill to max. The only benefit of maxing Fox-Fire second is that it isn't a skillshot and will automatically target champions over minions whereas Charm is a skillshot. The good thing about Charm is that it also amplifies the true damage portion of her Orb of Deception by the same 20% as all her magic damage while charmed.