Pantheon's ultimate needs serious help

Roamcel·1/12/2016, 7:11:56 AM·2 votes·1,270 views

Besides pantheon's current low win chance, I believe its ultimate needs serious help. Basically, other fighters and champions in general have an 'instant damage' sort of ultimate. You activate it and you have a predictable, even if skill requiring, damage dealing source.

With pantheon this is not so. Its wind up timer and its activation timer are so stupidly long, that in mid to late game everybody can simply flee the damage. And not in a "flash out" / "dodge skill" kind of way, but simply by walking away. Not to talk about teammates' ability to keep an enemy in the ult area or such. This is difficult even when they're on fucking teamspeak.

I'd be really curious to see a champion skills damage chart. Would like to see where panth's ult places at.

Additionally, I've looked at champion update reports over the years... and seems that apart from his latest mana increase (which everybody else got) he was never updated in at least five years!

I'm not discussing the ultimate's idea overall, but its effectiveness in combat:

  • can't be used to initiate mid to late game, without giving a free kill on a ganged up enemy
  • can't be used effectively as a damage dealing source: other fighters (ie. fiora, irelia, tryndamere, yas, vi, etc.) have a direct or active ultimate that casts instantly and gives enemies something to fear

But pantheon's ult? can't be cast in the middle of a fight (1vs1 or NvsM):

  • its wind up takes so long, you'll be either disabled (even a sneeze disables his ult) or down half health by the time it fires
  • its landing phase takes so long that even if you survived its wind up, you'd land on an enemy that fled, and that comes back with HIS ult and your half health

17 Comments

Xenomancers1/12/2016, 6:20:42 PM3 votes

Pants ult being a wasted skill late game is the reason he falls off. I can't tell you home many games I lose with pant when at one point being like 8-1 - he is an early game high damage jungler - he sucks in virtually every other way.

SaltyKracka1/12/2016, 7:31:21 AM3 votes

You think 52% winrate is low?

Can't lol hard enough.

Denied.

BeatzBoyFTW1/12/2016, 7:35:29 AM3 votes

Panth's ult is meant to be an engage for teamfights, not a 1v1, as he's already pretty strong with it with just 3 abilities. Placing Panth's ult just right behind the enemy team can corner the enemy team into either:

  1. Take Pantheon's ult's damage like a man (and squishies risked being stunned by Pantheon).
  2. Split up & get killed off one by one.

So no, not every ult has to be some kind of defence boostJax , a single target all-in abilityZed , and a true damage resetDarius

Best KhaZix Void1/12/2016, 7:29:27 AM2 votes

they're giving him a rework anyway, no point in touching him until then.

Xenomancers1/13/2016, 3:16:26 PM2 votes

In regards to pants early game - it is strong as an ambush kit but realistically it is a very weak kit. His gap closer can only be used enemies - so he has no method of closing ground other than flash if hes out of his short ass range to throw his spear. This makes it very easy to outplay a pant that doesn't have flash. I think he needs to be tuned in a couple of ways.

First I think his w and ult need to scale with AD. This is freaking common sense - an all in damage dealer with no escapes and he only scales with AD on 2 abilities? considering how hitting with pants ult is always a case of "it's your fault" why should it not scale with AD again? In reality this would only be a small damage boost anyways - his ult cant be used against enemies most the time and the w damage is already very low.

Second - his range on his E needs to be increased to about his spear throw range. This would give him some usefulness in defensive situations and give him some late game viability. He is a spartan for crying out loud - weren't they not great defenders?

Third - allow his aegis to be used on allies like almost every other skill of it's type.

Then I think hed be top tier.

Zerolera1/13/2016, 4:07:31 AM1 votes

He's an early game jungler... His ulti gives you presence early when it's actually useful to ulti behind a lane that's pushing and cut them off. No it's not as useful late game except maybe as a means to split push and that's absolutely fine.

Dominick Destine1/16/2016, 8:43:34 PM1 votes

Panth needs a full rework, not a buff.