Why do you guys Troll Shaco?

WhaiiSoSerious·11/9/2016, 8:43:41 PM·20 votes·2,008 views

STEALTH DURATION 3.5 seconds ⇒ 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 seconds

Can now place W - Jack in the Box while stealthed. Placing a Jack in the Box briefly reveals Shaco’s position, but doesn’t make him targetable.

Yeah, the only problem is we dont have enough time to lay a box and stay stealthed.

I always asked for some minor shaco buffs but if it meant ruining him like this I wish you guys would just leave some champs alone. If you were going to mess with anything, i feel like his decieve should be the last thing that should be messed with. It's what makes shaco, shaco. Reducing the range of the decieve was a pretty hard nerf as is and now you guys have comletely nerfed his early game potential.

Next time just don't remake certain champs. There are things that just don't require fixing. Riot.

You guys bum me out.

32 Comments

inplane11/10/2016, 1:14:08 AM6 votes

His Q is so pathetic early game it hurts. I don't know how Riot even expects him to gank safely when people will ward the shit out of him in higher elo. A counter gank against him would downright render him useless.

hhaavviikk11/9/2016, 10:15:25 PM4 votes

I have not played shaco much and not at all with his new kit but just on paper he jsut seems terrible, if you max Q your E doesn't do antyhing of notice but if you max E you can't gank with jsu a 1.5 second Q, it's sad because he just seems like trash now

MorgManBasher11/10/2016, 3:10:08 AM3 votes

I am far from a shaco player, i only ever play him top or support as AP for fun and HATE playing against decent shacos because they make the game frustrating, but in no way fo i feel like these changes were at all fair. They destroyed this champion and he's going to need massive buffs to not be completely garbage

Bardful11/9/2016, 8:55:48 PM2 votes

I like the deceive because shaco is very frustrating to face and they need to deal with that. This way you will get 4.5 sec stealth which feels really nice with the w late game. If you get mobi boots you can run in place a box, ult and leave so they attack your clone. Even if you do reveal too early they have blown most of their cc on your clone. Besides if you don't like the low time early, put two points in q before putting a point in e. e doesn't help your clear much anyways and you will be able to max it at the same time as before. Also shaco's q may have a longer timer but the 2.5 seconds bonus from attacking doesn't change even with cdr so if you q in somewhere late game if you have cdr you should have a lower cooldown on your q. Again, shaco is frustrating especially how he can just q away and even if you did follow him right he can place a box and stall until his q is up again. This allows a greater window of catching him out for escaping. I played a game with shaco sup and shaco jgl and the jungle one I got first blood. Also I played a game as bard jungle and the enemy shaco jungle almost solo carried with 20 kills on his team.

AkabaneKun11/9/2016, 10:09:20 PM2 votes

Unfortunately Shaco falls in the category of "doesn't make enough money with skins", so yea...rekt.

SlashStriker11/10/2016, 9:05:19 AM2 votes

Damage nerfs and buffs aside Wukong Stealth lasts 1.5 seconds at all ranks and does not blink him to target location shaco's Deceive is a blink ability so how much the stealth duration should be?

When Shaco ganks he did lack counterplay appears from nowhere. I was literally not able to see him when he uses his Q to gank me so that nerf is well deserved. You think 1.5 seconds stealth is not enough but its a blink ability as well and it does extra damage on top of that

MishaX11/10/2016, 9:24:14 AM2 votes

Sorry if it's not a good English but here are my personnal thoughts about How Shaco changes would have been 10 TIMES better (what i written in an other post):

"There was so many things to do with this Shaco Rework to put him at the same level than all the other assassin as new Rengar, new KahZix or new Talon... and a less risky pick:

Passiv:

10% - 30% damage from behind, same passiv than before (30% was before the 20% we have now), but it scale with levels. So it's a nerf in Early and a up in Late Game.

Q Spell:

Reduce the invisibility time at level 1 (but less than what they did) et up it at level 5. Early nerf / Late Game up. Give a reset to his Q, when we kill or assist, a total reset OR a CD reduction: ex: 12sec CD if kill/assist= -6sec on Q spell before the CDR application.

W: Make boxes invincible when we put them on the ground, before they go invisible. No need to up their HP and so on... only so the ennemi see the box but that a random AOE can't destroy it immediately or a single AA....

E:

Keep the same stats than before, but ADD +% missing HP. So Shaco is better in the Tanky Meta (meta that will stay tanky when we see the new Tank masteries, letality that is a nerf of armor penetration to make snowball less important) and eventually nerf slightly the damage at level 1 but keep the same amount than it was at level 5.

R:

Make the Clone less stupid, just as Tibber that becomes a monster when Annie dies. Instead of putin 3 boxes on the ground that a ridiculous and useless cause they have the same HP bar and can be OS.... when the Clone die he should make damage AND an AREA FEAR just as the boxes (W)."

Please don't forget that since Shaco was released in LoL, he only had NERFS again and again, the only up he ever had was gain more HP / level.... even the meta changes, jungle changes, items changes are nerfs in majority for him.

xX Pikameww Xx11/9/2016, 9:02:33 PM1 votes

Does Sorcery in the mastery tree increase his Q damage? Or just his W E?

EcchiOtakuTM11/10/2016, 3:16:32 AM1 votes

The stealth change tbh was the right direction because stealth gap closers are a balance issue for them. However what they should have done is start it at 2 seconds of stealth rank 1 and have it raise per level.

I can manage just fine with 2-2.5 seconds but atm I HAVE to put 2 points into Q just for functionality of it.

If stealth started at 2 seconds and raised per level to 4.5 at level 18 it would be perfect then all we'd need are a few damage buffs but the stealth needs addressing.

ChallengedSoraka11/10/2016, 6:09:09 AM1 votes

I have been playing Shaco as my main champion for the entirety of Season 6 and I maintained a ~60% win rate throughout, so I think I speak as an experienced Shaco player.

I think the new box ability is alright; It prevents us from destroying unsuspecting players face-checking bushes and is overall a good design decision.

The stealth duration changes are also good, in my opinion, because they prevent us from veiling from afar while counter-jungling in the early game. However, the new damage is f**** terrible. I don't know how much it was nerfed, but it is definitely at least 300 damage less than it was past level 12, with decent gear.

The clone's death is also a bit pointless, seeing as the range of the boxes isn't really big enough to catch people and I also feel like the shiv ability needs a little buff in terms of damage dealt past level 11.

Kr1sys11/10/2016, 6:12:11 AM1 votes

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STEALTH DURATION 3.5 seconds ⇒ 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 seconds

Can now place W - Jack in the Box while stealthed. Placing a Jack in the Box briefly reveals Shaco’s position, but doesn’t make him targetable.

Yeah, the only problem is we dont have enough time to lay a box and stay stealthed.

I always asked for some minor shaco buffs but if it meant ruining him like this I wish you guys would just leave some champs alone. If you were going to mess with anything, i feel like his decieve should be the last thing that should be messed with. It's what makes shaco, shaco. Reducing the range of the decieve was a pretty hard nerf as is and now you guys have comletely nerfed his early game potential.

Next time just don't remake certain champs. There are things that just don't require fixing. Riot.

You guys bum me out.

Max Q first. E damage has no base damage and is mostly scaling on missing hp, but it's slow is what helps you get kills. He's going to be one of those champs you'll level and split abilities early such as:

W, Q, E, Q, E, R, Q, Q, Q, and then situational whether you need fear duration or E damage

SlashStriker11/10/2016, 6:56:24 PM1 votes

So basically Flash is too OP on 300 seconds cooldown but Deceive that is exactly Flash + Stealth is shit Yes Shaco may need some buffs on his damage side but stealth nerfs are well deserved. You pretty much ignore the fact that playing against Jungle Shaco is too frustrating because like i said when he uses Deceive he is 100% off my sight on the screen. I cannot see him using his Q at all. He just appears from nowhere at the middle of the screen without any kind of warning. Even Shaclone agreed himself that he can deal with Stealth nerfs. The biggest problem with shaco is his Lack of damage. Not to mention that Shaco Stealth is even increased if he you 4 points in Deceive

Rockm Sockm11/9/2016, 10:56:04 PM1 votes

Honestly,

Shaco is a character I like in concept but he suffers from Vayne syndrome.

You always face good ones but have the worlds worst Shaco on your team.

Leave him in the gutter.

lolipopevelynn11/10/2016, 3:03:53 AM1 votes

{quoted}

STEALTH DURATION 3.5 seconds ⇒ 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 seconds

Can now place W - Jack in the Box while stealthed. Placing a Jack in the Box briefly reveals Shaco’s position, but doesn’t make him targetable.

Yeah, the only problem is we dont have enough time to lay a box and stay stealthed.

I always asked for some minor shaco buffs but if it meant ruining him like this I wish you guys would just leave some champs alone. If you were going to mess with anything, i feel like his decieve should be the last thing that should be messed with. It's what makes shaco, shaco. Reducing the range of the decieve was a pretty hard nerf as is and now you guys have comletely nerfed his early game potential.

Next time just don't remake certain champs. There are things that just don't require fixing. Riot.

You guys bum me out.

max Q and your stealth is straight up buffed by an entire second. they want you to max Q first, not E.