Riot should prolly look at Yasuo at some point

Whisperwind23·8/17/2018, 3:29:38 PM·134 votes·23,524 views

Regardless of if he is "balanced" or not the current problem with him is people simply do not want him in their games from both sides. A 70% ban that has been persistent for as long as it has been should be an indicator that theres a problem. right now there is only a 12% chance that he is not banned or picked, that's bad.

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Lil Homie busta8/17/2018, 5:54:04 PM83 votes

The fact that his entire kit counters something:

  • Q is a pain in the ass for melees who lane against him;

  • W Cockblocks everything with a projectile;

  • E makes people with telegraphed abilities and immobile champs cry;

  • R bonus armor pen is a middle finger to tanks;

No wonder why he's so disliked. In terms of toxic gameplay, he only loses to Zoe

Teridax688/17/2018, 8:50:38 PM19 votes

This has been a problem with Yasuo for quite some time now. Even after the initial wave of complaints, he's proven to be consistently difficult to balance, and always high on ban priorities. One can claim as much as one likes that he's one of the most popular champions to play, but when his ban rate has been above 50% for years now, sometimes over 90% for sustained periods of time, that cannot justify his current design. The fact that Riot has also made no attempt to change his gameplay after all this time, when champions have received snap-reworks for less, is also concerning, and suggests there are some serious problems with how champions are perceived and prioritized internally.

Personally, I think there needs to be some kind of happy medium between Yasuo outplaying his opponent, and him flat-out denying them on demand. The combination of his auto-shield and Wind Wall, for example, is overkill, and shuts down many ranged mid laners without him needing to do much about it. What I feel doesn't get talked about much is that Yasuo doesn't have all that much counterplay at melee range, as he deals a ton of damage extremely reliably, including with a Q that has no meaningful delay at higher attack speed levels, which makes him all the more frustrating to deal with when he uses the copious amounts of mobility at his disposal to reach his target. Coupled with a significant degree of poke, plus anti-tank damage, and Yasuo effectively one-ups everyone he plays against, offering few options to deal with his kit. He needs fewer total strengths, and he needs to offer proper windows where opponents can fight back, as well as opportunities where he can be punished as hard as he can punish others. Until then, he will remain a frustrating and unpopular champion.

TNHA Baritone8/17/2018, 6:48:10 PM18 votes

It's incredible how some champions get to exist like this for so long, while when other less popular champions get strong for one patch, they get nerfed instantly.

Elewd8/17/2018, 6:26:01 PM17 votes

they are always looking yasuo, the moment his winratedrops below 50% he gets buffs on the PBE instantly.

NanoFlameZero8/17/2018, 9:04:07 PM16 votes

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Regardless of if he is "balanced" or not the current problem with him is people simply do not want him in their games from both sides. A 70% ban that has been persistent for as long as it has been should be an indicator that theres a problem. right now there is only a 12% chance that he is not banned or picked, that's bad.

I agree. At some point Riot has to realize that his kit is not wanted in LOL.

LemurMonster8/17/2018, 9:29:37 PM16 votes

How about now? Honestly... his f***ing windwall is beyond stupid. It's biggest thing I hate about him & the biggest offender. There is simply no counter play to it at all.... The ban rate says it all. It's downright unfair for a champ that could get a 100 crit with only two items plus you have to worry about the auto-shield combine with the windwall.

All they do is hide between it & the damn hit box is so big, that I never can hit them even if I go behind it or side step it. Like how it blocks Namis wave even if it just barely tip hits it & just vanishes completely? yeah that amount of stupid... Keep that in mind...

FirewaterDM8/17/2018, 6:56:16 PM14 votes

no lie if windwall gets deleted the ban percentage tanks heavily imo.

Like there's other shit but idk about other people but i'd stop banning him if that shit was gone.

The Spicy Crit8/17/2018, 6:28:53 PM10 votes

Problem with Yasuo: Die 2 times on lane as Yasuo, you're useless for the rest of the game. Give 2 kills to Yasuo, he's gonna make your game a nightmare. Champ design like this shouldn't exist. Great job CertainlyT. Nice champ designs you got there. Clap clap.

BeastAlmighty8/17/2018, 10:05:40 PM7 votes

Just let me see his E indicator so i know what he can and can't dash to. It doesn't address his power but would make him less frustrating to lane against. [zombie-brand-clap]

Kloak8/17/2018, 4:43:15 PM6 votes

I read a post a few days ago about an interesting change for Yasuo. If I recall correctly, they wanted to nerf his auto attacks heavily because Yasuo can usually rely on them to deal a massive amount of damage. This would separate good Yasuo mains from bad Yasuo mains because you would actually have to land your Q's to get enough damage through.

Saianna8/17/2018, 7:16:57 PM6 votes

A 70% ban that has been persistent for as long as it has been should be an indicator that theres a problem.

I think buffing his R will definitel fix that.

Radiant Wukong8/18/2018, 1:59:40 AM6 votes

I never have a problem with Yasuo himself, it's just his interaction in team fights that are annoying and toxic.

He can literally lockdown the entire enemy team for 3 seconds with any knockout + ult, as well as deny all ranged damage for 4 seconds.

Imagine your team comp being Ahri mid MissFortune bottom Graves jungle

Getting all your damage blocked in the chaos of a team fight by a wind wall. Shit will eat your soul lol

Taliyah Rocks8/17/2018, 11:05:07 PM6 votes

I remember an iteration of Yasuo's windwall in which it would have a channel time. You either unleash it instantly to block a projectile, but it would have a narrow width and short duration, or charge it for a second or two, and create a bigger windwall. On one hand Yasuo could still block instantly projectiles, on the other hand you allow the enemy team time to react to his windwall and act accordingly.

For his E, he would be able to dash anywhere, but it would have a longer cooldown. Every enemy hit by his E is marked, and using E on an unmarked target resets the cooldown. So basically he wouldn't rely as much on minions to dash, but would have to be careful about how he dashes.

UnoGetGoldELO8/17/2018, 7:37:18 PM5 votes

he has been/ is the new age kassadin. either total suck , or total stomp and next to no counterplay no matter if he feeds once 2 items complete he roflstomps pretty much almost everyone and wins fights by himself.

there is a very good reason kassa was banned nonstop but thats also another topic since leviathan mejais back then and lala rifting nonstop uncatchable burstmachine - sounds familiar?

also ontopic - nerf his Wwall in such a way that it can block 1 ult but only 2 projectiles after that instantly breaks and if it breaks yasuo loses 33%-50%flow.

nerf his Q so that it only triggers on champion hits.

nerf his E so that just like the new aatrox he can dash max twice on minions but on champions conitunuesly once per champs(which is the case already except minions) so he no longer rifts around the lane like a nascar.

remove the additional armorpen on his ult its just silly over the top garbage.

let him deal extra dmg on maximum flow and remove his doubblecrit.

now he is healthy and teemotier. you´re welcome.

Nea1048/17/2018, 7:17:31 PM4 votes

Would be so funny if they even just think to buff his ultimate, trying such an absurd joke on PBE. Oh, they did like 2 weeks ago? :D

They aren't gonna fix anything this season, and probably the next ones either. They have messed up too much this last 9 months, maybe more, to still get some trust.

Spank the Fox8/18/2018, 2:11:01 AM4 votes

I don’t even get how Zoe wins against Yasuo tbh.

He can easily Windwall the direction the Paddle Star is coming from if he is hit with her E and his dashes makes it hard to hit without using Zoe’s E.

princeblumpkin8/17/2018, 10:39:50 PM4 votes

There is nothing Riot could do to preserve that makes Yasuo enjoyable to the people that play him and also satisfy the people that hate him.

PowerSlave9938/18/2018, 9:22:10 PM3 votes

That feel when Yasuo is 0/6 but he still is able to kill you straight 100-0...

King Braum8/17/2018, 4:27:14 PM3 votes

I believe Riot has tried but before they could make any changes they already got backlash from the player base to the point of canceling the plans.

La Bello8/18/2018, 12:55:25 PM2 votes

Dont count on it. This has been talked about literally since like Month 3 of his release.

Riot wont do anything to him because Yasuo is:

  1. a reliable money maker (IE: if you make any kind of skin for him you are all but guaranteed income
  2. very popular in casual play Which is what the current regions with the highest playerbase prioritize. (Fun>Balance to put simply)

Yasuo wont get fix because in Riots mind having a tumor that makes you money which allows you to improve your life justifies the existences of that terrible tumor. In other words Yasuo has not gotten fixed for like over 8 damn years. He still wont be fixed for another 8+ assuming LoL even lives long enough to get there

Yasuo along with a few other champs are Riots blood money basically. Bltanatly OP or disgusting champions who are overlooked and given protection from normal laws everybody else has to adhere to. Illegitimate gains used for a "good" cause ("thanks to the money our Yasuo generates we can continue to make our game awesome!")

It's Kinda like how the new Urgot skin couldnt even exists on its own without hyper popular characters like Thresh and Lucian being there to grantee sells. Yasuo existing helps facilitates income for Riot to do things like making new gamemodes or creating more champions.

If you ever wondered why problematic champions who CLEARLY defy all pillars of balance or quality game design are constantly overlooked just remember the above. Riven Yasuo MasterYi Janna Zoe