Silver ELO is absolute Cancer

Finest Support··33 votes·11,376 views

I only play ranked to get the gold rewards because ranked stresses me too much.... however, last season i got to gold EASILY ... this season not so much. Silver is absolute cancer

  • you get people trolling with picks such a Rumble support

  • then you get the Kayn on the other team who gets 2 kills then comes bot and 1 shots you with only 1 item and electrocute (Kayn is not a problem , just using him as an example at random)

  • you get those who spend the entire game AFK farming and or chasing kills when there are objectives to get

  • FOR SOME REASON the enemy team ALWAYS if not 80% of the time gets people who play better and get fed so easily yet everyone in your team is a monkey.

  • even if you do well your team did so bad that its impossible to carry

  • win lane lose game all day everyday

  • you get people who are 0-5 before 10 mins

  • no wards

  • you get people trying champs for the first time in Ranked

_For me this season is absolutely destroyed , super super hard to climb with this matchmaking and game conditions , please , pleaseeeeeee start placing new players in bronze. _

Conclusion - silver ELO is the worst of the worst, the game makes it almost impossible to climb.

-------- yes yes i can always improve more i understand that, but the things listed above are the real problem.

56 Comments

Real Sexy Yoona23 votes

Hey buddy, I looked into your OP.GG and it doesn't look like you played many games. 56 games with only 3 games in the past week seems way too early to give up and say your ELO is cancer. I've done some coaching and I've seen so much worse. I don't think your situation is cancerous at all.

I could agree with your conclusion but coming to that conclusion from a few games almost makes it meaningless. I mean anyone from any ELO can say their ELO is cancerous if they use a few unlucky games like you did. Anyone.

For example, this season I had a game where I was 19/7/16 as Syndra and 15/3/8 as Varus and lost both of those games. I died saving the Nexus so if I had won that game my KDA would've been better.

A better example, I played 43 games as Ahri in high plat. My average KDA is 7/4/7. I lost HALF of those games. Taking into consideration that I would suicide twice at the end of a losing game (making desperate plays), and die because of unfairly fed enemies, my Ahri was nearly flawless in terms of winning lane and dishing out damage consistently. I don't even remember a game where I lost lane. I would go even or win.

With this, I can easily argue that Mages are weak af, I have bad teammates, and make statements that generalize my entire elo. Anyone can. So is every elo cancer? If it is, why even post about your experience in silver if it happens to everyone else.

My point being, everyone has bad teammates and unlucky games. It can't mean everyone deserves better because that's impossible. _There are a few tragic cases/outliers to this where people just get FUCKED by RNG (afk teammates in consecutive ranked games, people having ridiculous KDA stats but loosing most of their games because of teammates) or get fucked by a dead MMR that refuses to let them climb. _

I've played in every division of Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Plat (currently in Diamond). I've been hard stuck in every tier. Trust me, there are bad and boosted teammates in every division. I can tell you that your situation is nothing out of the ordinary and you are simply over-reacting to a few unlucky games. Your performance isn't even outstanding in those game too.

Unless you are hard carrying the game, you shouldn't complain about your teammates. Why would you expect another teammates to step it up when you are playing a standard or subpar game like them.

I just find it weird that people deem every bad experience as an absolute and use it as an excuse. I've coached people who played well over 2000 games and are hard stuck and unable to climb. That's absolute cancer. If you take out your placements, you only played 46 games. 3 in the past week. Relax.

Stop overreacting. It's common among bad players who luckily got their division in the previous season and believe that they automatically deserve it this season. Which is being delusional. I am not saying it is you but I've coached similar players who say the exact same thing.

Seriously, just play more games and if the problem is your teammates, you'll climb eventually. This is a fact. Yes, there are outliers to this like I said before, but most complaints aren't- including yours.

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Real Sexy Yoona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-07-07T09:00:47.042+0000) too early to give up and say your ELO is cancer.

silver is absolutely horrific during the entire god king event

FullmuteAll play1 votes

I wish there was a guy like you for every player whining how good he is and the reason for every loss is his teammates.

Finest Support1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Real Sexy Yoona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-07-07T09:00:47.042+0000)

Hey buddy, I looked into your OP.GG and it doesn't look like you played many games. 56 games with only 3 games in the past week seems way too early to give up and say your ELO is cancer. I've done some coaching and I've seen so much worse. I don't think your situation is cancerous at all.

I could agree with your conclusion but coming to that conclusion from a few games almost makes it meaningless. I mean anyone from any ELO can say their ELO is cancerous if they use a few unlucky games like you did. Anyone.

With this, I can easily argue that Mages are weak af, I have bad teammates, and make statements that generalize my entire elo. Anyone can. So is every elo cancer? If it is, why even post about your experience in silver if it happens to everyone else.

My point being, everyone has bad teammates and unlucky games. It can't mean everyone deserves better because that's impossible. _There are a few tragic cases/outliers to this where people just get FUCKED by RNG (afk teammates in consecutive ranked games, people having ridiculous KDA stats but loosing most of their games because of teammates) or get fucked by a dead MMR that refuses to let them climb. _

I've played in every division of Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Plat (currently in Diamond). I've been hard stuck in every tier. Trust me, there are bad and boosted teammates in every division. I can tell you that your situation is nothing out of the ordinary and you are simply over-reacting to a few unlucky games. Your performance isn't even outstanding in those game too.

Unless you are hard carrying the game, you shouldn't complain about your teammates. Why would you expect another teammates to step it up when you are playing a standard or subpar game like them.

I just find it weird that people deem every bad experience as an absolute and use it as an excuse. I've coached people who played well over 2000 games and are hard stuck and unable to climb. That's absolute cancer. If you take out your placements, you only played 46 games. 3 in the past week. Relax.

Stop overreacting. It's common among bad players who luckily got their division in the previous season and believe that they automatically deserve it this season. Which is being delusional. I am not saying it is you but I've coached similar players who say the exact same thing.

Seriously, just play more games and if the problem is your teammates, you'll climb eventually. This is a fact. Yes, there are outliers to this like I said before, but most complaints aren't- including yours.

im just saying with playing the same amount of games in other seasons i found it easier to climb

KVbqbFsC8e13 votes

It really isn't any different past Silver.

Malix Farwin3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-07T04:53:55.893+0000)

It really isn't any different past Silver.

It kinda is. I am sitting at G5 atm(took me about 4m to get out of Silver from S2). When i play a ranked game, if my team has less silver then the enemy i tend to win most of the time and if the enemy has more gold i lose. If both teams have gold you generally have some okay games.

I mean mean around the silver Elo you get so many games where people are massively feeding early that its kinda insane honestly. Then you look up your teammates and know off the bat they are going to feed before the game even starts because whille you have over 300 games in that elo match making felt like it was fair to match you with someone who has had under 30 with a sub 45% WR.

Naymliss2 votes

G5 is the exact same crap as silver. High gold is a touch different in terms of late game rotations, but you still get the same amount of people feeding their lane as you did in silver.

Finest Support1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-07T04:53:55.893+0000)

It really isn't any different past Silver.

bs

Wínters Dawn11 votes

The behavior and mindset of all ello players

Bronze; "bronze is cancer" Silver; "silver is cancer" Gold; "gold is cancer" Plat; "plat is cancer" Diamond; "diamond is cancer"

Masters "I'm a god, everyone else is cancer" CHALLENGER "faker who?"

Honestly I dont know what masters and challenger players are like. But I imagine those ellos are "cancer" as well

Gamer Gallade10 votes

Silver is, in my opinion, the worst Elo because there are too many people that dont understand how other champions work or try to force some really horrible off meta that we all know why it doesn't work at all.

When they flame. They flame hard.

Imagine a Tryndamere player that decides to build AP because he thinks it's good because almost all of his abilities scales with AP. I wanted to slap that moron because there is a reason why AP doesn't work.

It gets worse when they dont understand how Team comps work at all or even the basic understanding why it works...

The worst part of it all is when they legitimately think that you are Intentionally feeding but your just trying your best to salvage the match. Sure you die alot, but that is either you're doing bad or the enemy is far better then you.

I told someone this, "if you think I'm inting, then you deserve to lose this match." Not surprisingly we lost because of the Trynd that did all 3 of the grips i said.

Shit like that makes me hate Ranked and Silver Elo so much.

I Q2 votes

In my opinion, if the players in Silver are that bad, then having a good player on their team should increase their winrate by a shit ton.

When climbing out of Silver I believe I had about a 76% winrate, because the enemy literally has no idea how to play the lane. Just pick a good laning champion (or freelo ganking jungler if you're jungle) and get so fed that losing the game is almost impossible.

Malix Farwin3 votes

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In my opinion, if the players in Silver are that bad, then having a good player on their team should increase their winrate by a shit ton.

When climbing out of Silver I believe I had about a 76% winrate, because the enemy literally has no idea how to play the lane. Just pick a good laning champion (or freelo ganking jungler if you're jungle) and get so fed that losing the game is almost impossible.

When was the last time you were in silver, surely it wasn't season 8

I Q1 votes

Yeah it was. Climbed out of it in less than a month

ValiantKiller9 votes

Trust me, i thought getting gold would fix that but nah it the same problem in gold :D

Plat HardstuckXD7 votes

I had to recently dodge a game cause a player insisted on going Master Yi support against a Zyra and MF bot lane.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infuriated Sun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-07-07T05:22:21.818+0000)

I had to recently dodge a game cause a player insisted on going Master Yi support against a Zyra and MF bot lane.

Yah i know, yesterday we had zyra mid against vel'koz ofcourse vel'koz was much better mid laner than her lucky i was a good top laner and was able to snowball my urgot otherwise we would lost badly. And yes that is gold4 game, so yah it hell everywhere right now.

Unstoppable Monk3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Infuriated Sun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-07-07T05:22:21.818+0000)

I had to recently dodge a game cause a player insisted on going Master Yi support against a Zyra and MF bot lane.

They did nothing wrong. Support fill taking S tier / must bans as an offmeta is a valid strategy as you deny the pick to the enemy team. They could just farm jungle and then kill them both after 1 item, because he's literally Master Yi. S tier champions are usually strong enough to play into support. Wukong support for example right now, would work because he's currently busted in this meta.

Unstoppable Monk4 votes

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Trust me, i thought getting gold would fix that but nah it the same problem in gold :D

I remember when gold was the nice place where players actually respected the game and tried to cooperatively beat down the enemy team instead of masturbate over their own champion performance.

ValiantKiller3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Unstoppable Monk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-07-07T08:14:00.369+0000)

I remember when gold was the nice place where players actually respected the game and tried to cooperatively beat down the enemy team instead of masturbate over their own champion performance.

Look at my last game, just from few seconds I had that Zoe who have a 2-8 wins on her, and her 2 wins by been carried and she had 3-16 on one of them, i lost game cause of her and she is supposed to be gold5

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

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Look at my last game, just from few seconds I had that Zoe who have a 2-8 wins on her, and her 2 wins by been carried and she had 3-16 on one of them, i lost game cause of her and she is supposed to be gold5

Usually if I am trying to pick up a busted champion to climb and fail at it I would stop, but this person seems to think they are good. The 0lp gold in previous seasons has me a little suspicious that they're gold boosted.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Unstoppable Monk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-07T09:03:38.020+0000)

Usually if I am trying to pick up a busted champion to climb and fail at it I would stop, but this person seems to think they are good. The 0lp gold in previous seasons has me a little suspicious that they're gold boosted.

You know what is more fun ? I said in all chat at the end after zed was like 12-2 " I don't care anymore, that zoe deserve to lose anyway " Her support aka duo asked to report me I'm like sure go ahead,

Flashes1 votes

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Look at my last game, just from few seconds I had that Zoe who have a 2-8 wins on her, and her 2 wins by been carried and she had 3-16 on one of them, i lost game cause of her and she is supposed to be gold5

I think you're talking about me e.e

ValiantKiller1 votes

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I think you're talking about me e.e

lol

Hügö1 votes

And everything above gold is the same, those problems never change.

Blessed By RNG3 votes

Please don't use cancer as a negative word

SwiftKitten885 votes

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Please don't use cancer as a negative word

ummm cancer is a bad thing, therefore it is a negative word...

that's like saying "stop using love" as if its a positive word.

IainG103 votes

New players (to Ranked) absolutely SHOULD NOT be started around the middle of the playerbase; they should be started at the very bottom and have to climb up. If they have the skill to get higher, they can climb like everyone else.

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

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New players (to Ranked) absolutely SHOULD NOT be started around the middle of the playerbase; they should be started at the very bottom and have to climb up. If they have the skill to get higher, they can climb like everyone else.

its more like noobs in general, quality would go up if you threw all the <200 mastery point people and people who have like only 1 level 6 mastery into wood tier.

Hügö2 votes

And you think it is better in Gold or Plat? Then I have a very dissapointing message for you.

Malix Farwin2 votes

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And you think it is better in Gold or Plat? Then I have a very dissapointing message for you.

Let me know when you have someone in gold/plat with only 20cs coming out of lane(yes total not 20 cs down) and died 10 times then i will say it's just as bad.

Hügö2 votes

I had games in high plat where people just got bullied in lane and they had <40 cs by 10 minutes. It happens everyhwere.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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And you think it is better in Gold or Plat? Then I have a very dissapointing message for you.

Sadly this is the truth.

I keep hearing stories from people on Discord that the game doesn't get "decent" until like Diamond 2.

Hyquiem2 votes

lol. It’s so true, playing mid in silver is cancer.. frustration and depression. There’s no such thing as an easy mid. Where there is only one. But in general none. So tierd of this elo and elo shamers. Oh no but you can “improve” how am I suppose to improve when my role is 20% of the game and combining my teamates is 80% and all four are loosing lane.. When in low elo the lane matters the most but it’s like no one cares since now when ever botlane wins lane. They go 5 man mid while my whole teams like “ha you lost your lane too”. Well jeez thx for your help.

Malix Farwin2 votes

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lol. It’s so true, playing mid in silver is cancer.. frustration and depression. There’s no such thing as an easy mid. Where there is only one. But in general none. So tierd of this elo and elo shamers. Oh no but you can “improve” how am I suppose to improve when my role is 20% of the game and combining my teamates is 80% and all four are loosing lane.. When in low elo the lane matters the most but it’s like no one cares since now when ever botlane wins lane. They go 5 man mid while my whole teams like “ha you lost your lane too”. Well jeez thx for your help.

Well playing mid silver is like this really.

Most of the time you should be able to win your lane but you are not trying to do that. What you are trying to do is snowball off your lane before your other lanes feed too hard.

Winning your lane is not even though of, it should be a given. If i go even in lane mid i feel like i played extremely bad, if i win my lane but do not snowball i feel as if i played bad as well. I have to be able to completely take over games there often to climb.

Tuition Fee2 votes

Issues that I experience: -The guy who has placed seven wards in a 40 minute game and constantly complains about dying to enemy team when he face checks bush -Full AP supports who complain about their 1/4 ADC, not realizing the ADC has 14 assists on the kills that the support took -AFK farming junglers who don't touch objectives or ward -People taking roles hostage -Getting one shotted by Talon/Yasuo/LB despite having a three kill lead :( Wards really don't do much at this point, their gap closers+damage are incredible -Very bad picks, such as playing a squishy mage like Lux in top lane against assassin/bruiser -People playing ranged champions at melee range -Supports who like to fight in the front line while their ADC gets fucked by an assassin -People who get angry at you for backing out of a fight and staying alive while the rest of the team dies in a four man Yasuo ult.. if you don't die with them, you are at fault, apparently.

TheDevice1 votes

Whats funny is you say "those people". those are the people I get on my team. NOT ME. So give me a break. If I get all those guys on my team every game I can't win. Its impossible.

Sorry. If you're actually getting teammates who do that kind of shit.... you're lucky. Period.

Tuition Fee1 votes

Not sure what you meant. If you notice, most of my complaints were against trolls, and not a lack of skill. I don't troll, but do lose lane due to a lack of skill. However, I don't blame people when they're trying and still lose lane. That, to me, is not an issue. When I mean issues, I meant blatant trolling, complaining about things easily fixed, or learning the basic mechanics of a champion before taking it into ranked.

Kelg1 votes

Just stomp your lane and split push using item 2055 and item 2057. People in silver have 0 map awareness and barely even ward. You will lose games no matter what you do sometimes when climbing, but if you play right you will win more than you lose.

Malix Farwin2 votes

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Just stomp your lane and split push using item 2055 and item 2057. People in silver have 0 map awareness and barely even ward. You will lose games no matter what you do sometimes when climbing, but if you play right you will win more than you lose.

Thats not actually true and thats the problem. Its a mixed bag, some have really good map awareness and play like they shouldn't be there while others are so bad they feel like they also shouldn't be there but in a negative way. You have to pray you get enough matchups where they are the later and hope the later is not on your team.

Kelg1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-07-07T12:26:29.534+0000)

Thats not actually true and thats the problem. Its a mixed bag, some have really good map awareness and play like they shouldn't be there while others are so bad they feel like they also shouldn't be there but in a negative way. You have to pray you get enough matchups where they are the later and hope the later is not on your team.

It works in most games. I started out in bronze 2 last season and have climbed to plat. I'm using this strategy to get back to plat this season. Of course there will be times where they will come for you, but you have to know when to push and when to back off.

Kelg1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWdYEQaz,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-07-07T12:26:29.534+0000)

Thats not actually true and thats the problem. Its a mixed bag, some have really good map awareness and play like they shouldn't be there while others are so bad they feel like they also shouldn't be there but in a negative way. You have to pray you get enough matchups where they are the later and hope the later is not on your team.

It works in most games. I started out in bronze 2 last season and have climbed to plat. I'm using this strategy to get back to plat this season. Of course there will be times where they will come for you, but you have to know when to push and when to back off. Just look at my last game, and the gold lead the enemy team had. Then look at my damage dealt to turrets compared to the rest of my team. It works.

Malix Farwin2 votes

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It works in most games. I started out in bronze 2 last season and have climbed to plat. I&#x27;m using this strategy to get back to plat this season. Of course there will be times where they will come for you, but you have to know when to push and when to back off. Just look at my last game, and the gold lead the enemy team had. Then look at my damage dealt to turrets compared to the rest of my team. It works.

Depends greatly on the champs you play and picking up a new champion thats good at splitting is not that easy. Second again it depends on who you are matched with or against.

What i have found when trying to split push is when you have horrible teammates they simply fall over without you. You wont even make it to the tower before their team rotates towards after mopping up your team.

In bronze, split pushing works a little to well(almost freelo there) but in silver if you get people who should be in bronze on the enemy team its effective otherwise its not. Which again leads to my original point and problem with Silver, its the default elo for new players.

Daddy Ants1 votes

I've been hard popping off as Jungle Twitch lately.

https://i.gyazo.com/d4f6f0dfdeed081435a56c5b383edc4a.png

Kept camping mid every game, got my mid ahead and we just duo roamed together.

Hyquiem1 votes

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I've been hard popping off as Jungle Twitch lately.

https://i.gyazo.com/d4f6f0dfdeed081435a56c5b383edc4a.png

Kept camping mid every game, got my mid ahead and we just duo roamed together.

[zombie-nunu-tears] help me?

5050BS1 votes

The Issue is that you are higher in MMR then your Rank so to make a Match the broken system puts you with bad players or vs Smurfs.

Ranked is so bad right now Iv stopped playing it and When URF is gone looking for a new game. Not sure if Riot can fix this. They could balance things but the player base has been poisoned so more and more are Trolling and smurfing (because they cant climb in their ELO) Making the game toxic even if balanced.

TheDevice1 votes

Ranked is 90% luck and 10% skill. I don't feed enemy, I gank my lanes, usually help get fb. I don't argue, I try to encourage when I can. If your team is just plain worse than the other team, you're going to lose. Can't really be helped.

As for me, Riot can give me about five games in a row (I've actually had 17 once) where every teammate fed every game and I had a bout 4 d/c ers to my enamies 1.

If you are prone to getting afkers and d/cers on your team, you actually cant rank up. Think about it, if you average more d/cers than the enemy, its impossible to rank because you can't win enough games that way. Say you get unlucky and get three games in a row with feeders every 5 games but you're getting a dc also one of those five, and say ONe game you happen to do bad, just one. thats five games you are losing to five you are winning. Now in my case, I get about five or six straight games of feeders on my team. Afterward, I get like MAYBE five games that seem fair. Throw in my higher rate of d/cers and it's LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to rank up.

People will say as they push their glasses up to their eyes, "Well the enemy should be getting just as many dcers and feeders on average snort so yeah you should be winning, sir". ONLY ITS NOT TRUE. Its not. I'm sorry to burst your bubble and your idea of whats fair, but its not true.

I GET MORE FEEDERS AND AFKERS on average than my enemy. statistically. Way more. So I literally CANNOT rank up.

Naranjo11 votes

Same with gold

Zork Nemehsis1 votes

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Same with gold

at least you have cool boarders man , silver is an abomination shitfest , i dont claim to be good at the game enough to carry 1v9 consistantly but cmon man people i get matched with generally are so clueless it hurts my insides

Zork Nemehsis1 votes

guess what 10 months later everythings the same yepp , this game is absolute cancer , win lane lose game all day everyday baby . To anyone that is a newbie take my advice ; quit it before you get hooked especially dont touch ranked you dont want to ruin your free time , trust me its not worth zilch nada zero

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