You can clear the entire blue side of jg and not get lvl 3 because of the scuttle being gone. How is this not disastrous to gameplay? You practically must start red now. Why?
Devs acknowledge you understand this, cmon dudes, basic stuff. Basic one target jgs, especially anyone that liked starting blue, just took huge punch to face. Shape up. Communicate. Do something.
The patch notes are hilarious (emphasis mine):
Right now, there's a lot of frustration between junglers and laners due to an expectation for the laner to help the jungler secure Rift Scuttler when it first spawns. At 2:00, this tension creates forced, awkward conflict between players who at that point are barely level 2, pushing players to pick junglers and laners that are strong at level 2 and 1, respectively.
By moving the Scuttler's spawn time later, players will have a bit more time to plan out and assess the game before committing to taking down the Scuttler; they'll also be less mandated to pick specific champions who are strong at early Scuttle takes.
This is literally what players have been saying since before Scuttle contention even went live. Months later, Riot looks at how junglers with poor early-game dueling are nowhere to be found, and says "HMMMM look at this odd situation! But don't worry, we can fix it! You're welcome! Aren't we great?" They never even acknowledge that this was their mistake that they made in the first place and no one outside the company ever liked it. These patch notes should've instead been more like "we're sorry it took so long to fix our blunder, but like, meetings, y'know. Our bad."
Oh yeah. It’s stupid af. It’s almost like it was bad enough that we are level 9 when the enemy top is already at 14. :/
You have to do a vertical clear that is the path.
The scuttle change is stupid.
However, fully clearing your entire blue side is almost never correct, unless you're playing some weird non-meta jungle, in which case nobody cares because you'll get shit on by any remotely knowledgeable opponent playing a meta pick anyway.
What they shoulda done is have the scuttled come up at 3:15 but lower experience, and put some experience back to lvl 1 jg camps, but still make the 2nd scuttle spawn vital by having the experience that can get someone to level 6 faster.
Also this stuff is obvious to people who would play jg. Lowest play rate every right now. I queue jg/top, haven't gotten autofilled a single time in over five hundred games this season. Not a single time. On the flip side, I just started trying to learn top, last night I queued Top/Jg, and got autofilled back into jg FIVE times in a row. FIVE TIMES. Just gave up after that.
Scuttle change didn’t do much from the perspective of top lane. Someone’s getting invaded level 2 anyway. And if I’m level 1 under tower, it’s my fault my jungler died.
You clearly don't understand pathing (also it shows you haven't actually played at all lately). It is not optimal pathing to do a full blue side clear into scuttle, right now you wanna get level 3 before scuttle (that was the goal of the changes).
You can still start blue, but you would need to clear 4 camps before scuttle which almost any jungler can do. Some example you can do blue/gromp/wolves/red if you are single target. You can also do Blue/Wolves/Raptors/Red if you are AoE.
If you start red buff you can do Red/Krugs/Blue to get level 3 and have time to maybe get a gank off before scuttle to make it easier to take.
If you think this is a bad change, you actually don't play jungle or play it at such a terrible level that you don't comprehend the goals it was meant to achieve.
I don't see why people can't just walk to the other scuttle, that they had to delay it. Basically, bot lanes universal got their wish of not ever wanting to leave their fking lane.
How do i get someone from Riot to respond to this? It's an honest to god easy to see issue that one side of jg has more xp than the other when different jgs would prefer to start different buffs if it weren't for the xp difference.
Clearing the entire blue side on first clear isn't even optimal. On Kindred Blue->Wolves->Red->Krugs->Scuttle feels fairly good if no ganks are available. This change is in no way disastrous, it even gives you level 4 rather quickly.
blue -> gromp -> wolves -> red.
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hey i'm playing a bit of jungle lately, can you explain to me why so i didn't get it
