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"It's your fault we lost, you were fed and didn't carry." But is it really? *Important*

RainsfordII·2/27/2015, 6:25:14 AM·15 votes·11,767 views

Long Rant:

So I have a friend who is in Diamond. He says getting there is easy. All you have to do is carry. Easier said than done obviously. But does getting to diamond, or hell even platinum, lie in the responsibility of ONLY you?

An example, in S4 I finished with silver. It was my goal to reach gold for S4. In S4 I did make gold but it was tough. Now in S5 I want to at least get platinum. I found a character I am good with, and I win a majority of my games. Many times I am fed, and sometimes we lose regardless. In one particular match, I went 7/2 or so and the rest of my team just did poorly. We lost, and at the end I was saying how my team fed. Then one guy said "A streamer I watched said if you're fed and lose, its your fault."

To which I replied, "No, its not my job to win you the game, carry your weight," I think we can all agree, there are times when you are fed, and you simply cannot carry your team of 1/6's and why? Because 4 of the enemy players are 6/1. So I think people who say its the person with the most kills responsibility for winning or losing is 100% absolute BS. If this were a 1v5 game then sure ok. But this is 5v5.

I think what people don't understand is that if you have 6 kills at 10minute mark. And no one else in the match has more than a kill or two, you can feasibly carry the game. But people expect to go 0/10 and see you have 5 kills and say, "your fed, carry us or you are bad". Its absolute horseshit and I wish these MLG LCS 3P1C 1337 GAM3RZ would stop spouting that shit.

Or you will go 2/0 in your lane, nothing huge but a good head start. Your team is getting wrecked, so you leave top to help them. Your turret gets destroyed because of it. Then they say "derp you lost your lane you are just as bad as us." Its like no fucker, i had to leave my winning lane because you asshats cant stop dying every 2 minutes. People cant just accept responsibility, and it sucks I have to pay for it.

Inb4 "it is your job to carry" TL;DR, aint my job to carry your fatass no matter how many kills i have, pull your weight fatty.

26 Comments

hh the thinker2/27/2015, 6:32:02 AM5 votes

I think you miss understood just a bit. it's your job to carry if you want to climb faster. you can climb still most likely by just doing well every game and hoping for your team to do about even, but if you carry the hard games, you will climb. if you are fed, you have the power to carry in most cases. not all games are winnable, but a lot are. if you want to get a rank, you have to earn it, simply said.

AyRe CoNteMpT2/27/2015, 9:51:11 AM4 votes

well boy, i just checked your match history and i bet you remember the games were you went 1/5 and 3/7 and 0/12 and 0/3 right? everyone has games like that and thats because you are not better than the retard lucian who fed vayne 25/0. its those games that equalize every game you "carried" and as long as you have bad games, you will not rise thru the ranks as fast as you wish you would. also as a sidenote; when you get stomped in lane you say "i had a bad game" or "fuck my jungler" or "i got ganked alot" but infact your jungler sucked in other games too were you went 5:0 and you got ganked in other games too and sometimes doublekilled them. so why not this game? simply because THIS GAME you played against people who are better than you. who gank better, who lane better, who ward better, who bait better and just are fucking better (or are lucky motherfuckers) but this way or another, you lost because you were worse than your lane opponent. accept it.

and because in EVERY GAME OF LEAGUE there are always 10 players with varying skills (even in challenger) you will always have someone lane against someone who is better than him and crush him. EVEN IN CHALLENGER people feed their lanes. even in challenger people go 0/5 because they just suck so hard they cant stop fucking dying.

also, carrying has little to do with how fed you are (sure it helps) but in knowing and executing what you are supposed to do. mostly people with alot of kills just strive to get more kills, many of them meaningless assassinations or 1on1s which dont do jack shit in order to carry the game.

"but im 23:2 man omg how can you not win the game" "because you wasted all our time by getting 19 worthless kills that didnt help getting any objectives or map pressure while we are behind and NEED YOU to take those objectives"

YJRBqwXJcS5/29/2016, 1:36:33 PM2 votes

i made this thread 2 weeks ago and got downvoted to oblivion

Trowa Barton3/3/2016, 9:46:31 AM2 votes

Another thing that is absolutely great is when your team is fed because of you, but they don't have the skills necessary to carry you to victory. As say Rammus, you are not able to kill the entire enemy team, you can peel, and disrupt them, but your not made to destroy the enemy in a penta kill. The most annoying this to lose to is when your team mates who you helped to get fed, decide to make stupid decisions and throw the game. Such as going in 1 at a time to try and 1v5 the weakened enemies at dragon pit. Even if you get 1 kill out of it, its not gonna stop them from getting dragon and we needed you alive! Why suicide? Maybe I am just too tired of not being able to carry 1/7 and 0/8 allies, and too frustrated seeing my 11/3 carries decide to try and play god and throw the game every match. Quickest way in my opinion to gain ranked is to find 2 players who are consistently good at the game and just get fed together in dominant roles like adc/jg or mid/top. carry roles where you can both snowball ahead of your laners and each tackle one of the 2 big jobs: Peel and Damage. Other than that, just hope your allies dont die 6 times each before the 10 min. marker... There isn't really much coming back from that, take it from me.

Alljoy2/27/2015, 6:28:57 AM2 votes

This is why I'd prefer a team where everyone drags their weight so no one has to 'carry' in terms of kda or whatever it is these kids who spout such bs think carrying is.

RaiseYourBortles2/27/2015, 1:32:34 PM2 votes

This turned from a reasonable post to you just bashing your team :/

Electro5222/27/2015, 6:39:52 AM2 votes

Amen. So many times I have done so well in a game, but the rest of my teammates just fall apart.

Goosetard3/3/2016, 9:52:08 AM1 votes

You lose the same amount of LP no matter whose fault it is you lost.

Stars Shaper3/3/2016, 10:11:45 AM1 votes

Even if you are the only one in the match with a 6/1 K/D ratio it's not only you that must play good.

I can be an awesome 8/0 Xerath but if I recieve no protection and 2-3 of them are freely attacking me I'm going to die (pretty damn fast too) and then others get a 4vs5 without their fed one (that applies also when the team doesn't wait for me to be in range).

I can be a similarly fed Mordekaiser and hold 3 of them and also killing them but if the rest of my team doesn't secure objectives or loses 4vs2 we are going to lose.

I can be a 0/0/37 Leona/Karma /Sona But if I don't have a team to support it's futile to even try.

Also there have been matches where I was terribly underfed and had like a 0/4-5 score but yet I could hold my ground by either being an annoyance to the enemies or blatantly meatwalling the fed guys. There is always something you can do, it's not going to be easy most of the times.

Herobrine5/29/2016, 11:14:54 AM1 votes

I just went 46/9/9 with mid lane Fizz and lost. My team was very far behind but doesnt matter in this game.

Goosetard5/29/2016, 12:40:04 PM1 votes

When the streamer said that, he was probably referring to an Elo where there are much fewer mistakes and everyone has better macro awareness. So, in his Elo, if one person is fed, everyone else on the team will realize that and put him in a position to carry. If he doesn't carry, it's his fault. That's not true at lower Elos.

71883083DEL17/26/2016, 2:12:40 PM1 votes

ikr

Athenes Lulu9/16/2017, 5:32:36 AM1 votes

I don't wanna be that one guy, but you need to try shotcalling and force them if you have to.

Your KDA can be absolute garbage but if you can't even shotcall then you're going nowhere. It's easy as that.

It is also 85% of why support """""mains""""" here have been complaining on how they have "no power in lane" when all they need to do is herd their ADCs around.

Irelia Bot2/27/2015, 6:42:20 AM1 votes

I have had games where I was super fed then took one wrong step, died once and the enemy team was able ot end it off that.

It is games like that that decide how fast you climb the ladder.

Stephenizgod2/27/2015, 6:46:32 AM1 votes

Yea this is totally a problem. What i hate is when i go positive and my team goes negative and they are all "look at your kills why didnt you carry!" and its like you gave that Vayne 8 kills before 10 minutes, it is now 20 minutes and she has 25 kills and i have 13... plus im Garen! why am i carrying this game?!?! The worst is feeding the ADC, i had to build up my kills slowly, 1 by 1 over time and mostly against the same champion with diminishing returns. That Vayne got all those kills rapidly against 2 people which really slows down the diminishing returns, so she started roaming that much faster. Im still stuck top trying to win my lane and you have already lost us the game... Ive had games where ive murdered mid lane, the jungler, and the ADC in one teamfight and we still lose because my team cant handle my lane opponent who at this point is 0/6 most likely and the support... Like i dont know how else to describe the definition of carrying other then "Killing the other teams carries before they can kill your team"...

Personal skill < Someones lack of skill. Sad but that is what it seems like right now :(

Daedalus8712/27/2015, 7:21:20 AM1 votes

It really depends. If you're 24/7/3, taking all the kills, it sort of is up to you to carry as you have all the gold. If you're stomping your lane opponent and have 6 solo kills by 10 minutes, then your teammates should carry their own weight.

Nausicäa 2/27/2015, 10:14:45 AM1 votes

It honestly depends on the situation.

For instance, ive seen games where my ADC gets like 3 kills from a level 1 invade. Ends up dominating lane obviously and has something like 8 kills in 15 minutes. Well we end up losing, and he has less damage than the enemy ADC and our mid at the end of the game. In this situation yea, its absolutely 100% your fault that you lost the game. If you're that fed early on and you're good at the game, you should be able to snowball such a massive lead to a win.

On the other hand, if you're somehow very fed, but every lane lost badly and there are 1-2 equally fed enemies on the other team then is most likely nothing anyone could do to pull out a win.

Yandere Carry2/27/2015, 10:32:32 AM1 votes

carry=/=getting fed.

Pryzum2/27/2015, 1:23:33 PM1 votes

Solo-queue is about a lot more than who carries and who feeds. The entire goal of solo-queue is to test how you, as an individual, can have an IMPACT on the game. It throws different situations at you (you are fed, you are feeding, your teammates are fed, your teammates are feeding, etc.) and it sees how you adapt to these certain situations and what you do in response.

About making an IMPACT on the game, yes, everyone gets fed, and this is probably the most blatantly obvious way to affect the game positively, but this is not going to happen every single game you play.

You crushed lane but your teammates fed? Maybe instead of milking a small amount of gold off of the opposing laner, you decide to MAKE AN IMPACT on the game outside of your lane, by roaming, controlling objectives, and deep warding. THIS is how you WIN GAMES.

You see that your teammates are getting ahead but you can't lane against the fed Riven that pubstomps you every time you show your face? PLAY SAFE AS CAN BE and LET YOURSELF BE CARRIED. Just by denying the riven kills, it takes away the only advantage that the enemy team has on yours, and eventually will snowball to a victory.

Lastly, YOU WILL LOSE GAMES, if you didn't ever lose a single game you are either the luckiest SOB alive (go try the lottery) or you are mechanically, knowledgeably, and emotionally perfected (you'd be a superhuman). The point of these lost games, is to LEARN FROM THEM. There is ALWAYS something you can teach yourself about the game you played. You will always make mistakes. If you think you played perfectly, but you can't carry "these noob, teammates omg so heavy, elo-hell" YOU ARE WRONG.

Solo-queue is ABOUT YOU ONLY but in the way that YOU can adapt and work with a TEAM. Not about your team versus theirs!