Do junglers have too much impact?

Tomievader·10/24/2019, 1:12:54 PM·2 votes·2,281 views

Junglers are both the most important role in the game. That's a statement I hate typing out but the more I play league recently the more it rings true. Every game you play, the jungler is the biggest factor in your laning phase, your objective control, and your overall game experience. They decide when to drag, when to gank, and who gets to have a laning phase without the hairs on the back of their necks standing upwards. They go for the objectives on the map that provide benefits to the entire game's length, and when they fight each other, whoever wins will usually dictate the game state from that point on. It's a difficult role with many jobs, all of which depend on your laners to do what you need them to when you need them to.

However, with time the game has leaned harder and harder on them. Their camps spawn slower, they give less XP, and they're forced to go to lanes and sway the game in their favor by causing 2v1's in solo lanes or 3v2's bot lane so they can do anything mid game. If they try to AFK farm they'll be left with 30/45 seconds of nothing to do since the camps don't respawn cleanly after a full clear. This makes them the determining factor in multiple lanes during laning phase. The impact they provide is too great and entirely dependent on how strong their level 3 gank is.

What is a laner to do when the jungle decides to focus them? What is the team to do if the jungle's focus prospers and gets them a lead? How do you play around a poor jungle? Why are the answers to all these questions "pray for a better jungler and FF"? Now this could be a bigger issue with snowballing and lack of commitment in the player base for longer games coupled with the constant push towards shorter and shorter games...but that's just a theory. A league theory! Thanks for reading! [slayer-jinx-wink]

19 Comments

boricCentaur110/24/2019, 1:55:30 PM3 votes

100% they do have to much impact and I play jg. Especially in top lane where the early levels matter lot for most of them. The way xp is right now it your top is in a losing match up you can just sit there and watch forcing the enemy top to stay away.

I feel bored when all my lane are winning SINCE THERE IS NOTHING TO DO. because you clear camps so fast, you can easily take basically no damage and they respawn petty slow.

Lot of the time all you can do is gank forcing you to have more impact on a game and having a better jg will definitely be felt because of it.

Veloz Destello10/24/2019, 1:39:06 PM2 votes

Yeah, try to play jungle with stupid laners that can't communicate like human beings. Of course, if you got good jungle match up, good lanes match ups and better players you are going to win. Otherwise, if u are equal to enemy jungler, it becomes unplayable.

WalkingInACircle10/24/2019, 1:42:18 PM2 votes

Yup.

Juice10/24/2019, 1:43:04 PM2 votes

Yes, junglers have the most impact as evident by the highest win rate % difference between autofill jg and jg mains.

The thigh guy10/24/2019, 4:57:30 PM2 votes

Jungle is a troll role at this point.

Their impact on the game lasts until laners hit level 4.

And they don’t even control objectives like dragon and rift anymore. If your botlane doesn’t control their lane, you can’t take dragon. If your top doesn’t win lane, you can’t take rift.

If your mid loses and either side lane loses, you can no longer take the respective scuttle crab.

If anything jungle is the role that is most dependent on the lanes.

QancerClown10/24/2019, 1:26:28 PM2 votes

I don't think that jng has too much impact. I think that laner are insanely bad at macro and dodging ganks. When i gank 5 times, i have 5 kills. Not even a single gank can fail if the lane isn't even warded, the guy pushes all the time or stays on low hp. Laners are just arrogant. They focus on 1v1 or 2v2 too much, forgetting that a jungler exists. In most matches both junglers are fed. Why? Not even a single gank failed.

Laners are arrogant and should learn how to properly play the game instead of whining all the time.

TehNACHO10/24/2019, 5:53:14 PM1 votes

Loaded question, nice.

I have no idea where you're trying to go with this post so I'll just try to address the title. For all but the most extreme of power gankers, Junglers honestly can't do much more than slightly tip the scales of power in a lane. Now of course if lanes are dead even in a volatile matchup, Junglers are gonna be staring that down. However, for the most part, lanes are already won or lost the moment people are queued up. Not even in champion select, it's just a matter that at the end of the day, someone is gonna win and someone is gonna lose. In this regard, Junglers honestly don't do very much at all. They don't have the power to truly decide things, they only have the power to react to the board that's given to them and only slightly tip any scales in their favor when they can.

Buckeye200210/24/2019, 6:00:43 PM1 votes

No, I would love to have level 2 ganks nerfed into the ground, I really really hate those. But basically jg is like other lanes, the more aggressive player usually wins and as jungle if you are an afk farmer, chances are you lose before you can contribute much.

Subdue10/27/2019, 6:42:19 PM1 votes

I think the biggest issue with "junglers have too much impact" is that the laners complaining about junglers don't understand jungling. Unlike laning where your minions flow to you whether you're playing defensively or aggressively, whether you're setting up for a kill or a gank, for junglers, everything has a cost. Camping top lane has a cost, not only in pressure for bot lane, but also in terms of jungle camps. Even if those camps don't get counterjungled, they also respawn later, which means net less gold and experience. A laner that is observant, that wards properly, and that doesn't get aggressive unless they know where the enemy jungler is can create real headaches for an enemy jungler. A failed gank or a failed camp can set you so far behind, even more so if the enemy jungler knows how to respond.