The Assassin Rework was a Failure and so is Riots response to it

Apocyliptic·8/7/2017, 12:18:54 AM·31 votes·2,904 views

One of the worst times I can remember for this game, and the thing that really put the pin in the coffin for me was the assassin rework Riot threw together. It seems like Riot wanted to add delay to assassins kits, in order to give them, "counter play," i.e, you never being allowed to kill someone with a summoner spell up or a support with any form of peel whatsoever. This whole concept was a failure, because an assassins sole purpose is to kill, they have no other goals, if they can't achieve this they serve no purpose other than gimped bruiser. Their DPS is typically low and single targeted burst, meaning their only real goal is to kill a squishy and get out if they're lucky enough.

Not every rework was a failure however, and you can't really expect them ALL to be. In total, they did 6 major reworks Fizz Leblanc Rengar Talon Shaco Katarina

Of these, Katarina Mains and Talon Mains tend to agree that it was a satisfying rework. They still felt like their old champion with some minor tweaks to make them more healthy, which isn't really a surprise considering both those champions had repetitively low skill caps and numbers that would either be too strong or too weak depending on the state of the game. However, the other 4 had repetitively high skill caps, scaling with your gameplay knowledge and overall mechanics. In short, there was a lot more room to fuck up. Of those 4, every single one of them has left those players with bad tastes in their mouths and Riot has done very little to address this.

When they do, they think an okay response is, "Oh, we'll just fix them in a couple seasons, cheers," and it's not. It's completely unacceptable coming from one of the most profitable games, if not the most, in history. They have the resources, they have the money, and they have the time, the fact that no changes are coming, especially after the worlds patch, should NOT be permitted. Personally, I've never really played much of Katarina, Leblanc, Fizz, or much of Shaco (though I did mess around with him a decent amount) I like to browse other champion subreddits, and the backlash every single one of them have for Riot is immense. Overall, it's not like it isn't deserved either.

There should be two mains goals when it comes to reworking champions, unless they're playrate is abysmal like Urgot and Poppy pre rework. One of these should be: Keep the champions identity and fluidity in tact, and if they are toxic, try to downplay that and replace it with a healthier mechanic. Riot tried this with Rengar , and I know from personal experience, they completely fucked up. Rengar prime identity, believe it or not, out of montages, was never to one shot, it was bush mechanics, ferocity management, and his empowered Q, His ultimate, then snare, then W in that order, relatively. Riot decided to change his Q into a clunky cast spell rather than an enhanced auto attack, changed his ultimate into a basic leap because everyone can see him coming miles away, and made his W scale off of bonus health, and he no longer was able to stack ferocity and keep it, negating his burst window. Clearly, from a logical standpoint, this is going to turn him into a bruiser without just overpowered numbers, and I have got no clue how this wasn't seen by Riots sorry excuse for a rework.

As for Leblanc , I never really played her, but I Can say without a shadow of a doubt this one is 2x as frustrating to play against and half as fun to play (according to those that main her). Me personally, I'll take facing old Leblanc ANY time of the day over this new one with her godly annoying clone, crazy waveclear, and chain CC with crazy damage.

Fizz was replaced by something with no realistic counterplay, which is hilarious. He was so much more healthy without a targetted ultimate that locks 50% of his damage, because you could actually dodge it. Now, as soon as he hits 6, you can pretty much gurantee a death in the mid lane. Overall, he became much more frustrating to play against, and a lot less fun.

Shaco Used to be an assassin, and now like rengar, is pretty much built like a bruiser. As for if he's more frustrating to play against, I don't really know. Yes, I can no longer realistically ward against him, because my pink no longer reveals him, but I'm also not getting one shot then tricked into hitting a clone. Overall, frustration wise, I'd say he remained the same, but what didn't remain the same were the players who mained him satisfaction level. That went down dramatically.

The fact that these reworks could pertain for an entire year or two is crazy and has left game balance out of wack. Assassins can no longer assassinate with the support powercreep and ADC's lifesteal power creep. They have to effectively burst through two entire health bars, if they don't get CC locked in the process, and they just don't have the damage output to do that. It's left ADC's way too strong, all season long, regardless of the circlejerk earlier this season, which was mostly because of abusive tanks, which had nothing to do with ADC's being weak, but the sunfire/Iceborn meta being too strong.

I hope to hear an EXACT date from Riot soon, and in the near future to address what they did to these peoples champions so we can fix this out of wack game.

39 Comments

NineTailedMystic8/7/2017, 1:51:45 AM9 votes

Leblanc but I Can say without a shadow of a doubt this one is 2x as frustrating to play against

Better than the champion who oppressed her laner more than anyone else in the game.

Wukong Airlines8/7/2017, 1:39:05 PM8 votes

I'm a Talon main with over 1M m.points. I know Talon will never receive any QoL buffs that would make his kit interact better. It's unhealthy to put an entire kit's faith in a Passive only. Lategame you just try to "E" walljump and kill the adc/squishy priority when theyre surrounded by tanks/supports that provide much shields and heals. As soon as you jump you can literally do nothing "cant even Q" then watch yourself get cced and insta die.

I see Talon rework as a failure.

kda akali8/7/2017, 3:03:32 AM6 votes

Fizz doesn't have a targeted ultimate.

ModAcademy Kayn8/7/2017, 3:03:38 AM4 votes

I think if I can survive a Fizz's level 6 as AP Bard, you can too.

Shablagoo8/7/2017, 3:41:47 AM4 votes

Its because, and I've said this on multiple post too, they focused to much on delaying the burst instead of making it balanced or fair burst. Of the 4 you mentioned being failures 3 have delayed burst, for melee assassin's you have to play bruiser or tanky which is why you had things like tank fizz and bruiser shaco, because after their initial burst they have no dps so they have to have more resistance to survive. Then we have leblanc which deals way to much burst even with her delayed, and if they dont die in oneshot ur stuck autoing and eventually dying cuz u have no dps. Delayed burst is not something that works, if you look at kha, kat, and talon they all have conditional burst, burst that isnt delayed but is conditional or needs prerequisites before happening. T

alon needing to hit all three abilites, Kat jumping to her daggers, and kha needing a isolated target they all have clear counter-play, they all increase their skill floor too, and they all are fairer( cant say fun to paly against cuz they are assassins, i have lvl 5 mastery on all so I know sometimes they arent the funniest to paly against specifically after snowballing). All successful and healthy assassins. Compared to shaco,leblanc, and fizz who have all received nerf after nerf and still are not balanced. Ppl say assassins will never be balanced, but why is it kha was one of the only assassins who need few changes, because he was one of the most balanced assassins in the game, and it is due to having conditional burst not delayed.

Rengar honestly is a completely different problem. One they didnt even actually reduce his burst window, they just added so much counterplay to his ult that ppl were satisfied with it(adc mains). If you look at the before and after the rework he still has the oneshot mechanic, they didnt even get rid of it, but because his ult is so useless ppl are ok with it. His q is dodgable but literally only with flash, because its about as dodgable as rivens q, and it also has a 4 second cd, so what happens after he flashes after 2 seconds and q's you again? Not to mention is w is just so ridiculous, he can negate all your dmg and remove cc what were they thinking. I play rengar top alot and wouldnt even believe the stuff that happens and how broken rengar really is.

The 14th Angel8/7/2017, 1:23:47 AM4 votes

Akali too.

but i agree with the title 100% they need to just let their ego go, and revert everything back.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku8/7/2017, 11:39:58 AM3 votes

Used to be an assassin, and now like rengar, is pretty much built like a bruiser

they build shaco as a bruiser cause it was possible to burst and be tanky. But come on, just look at the challenger kr. He goes full AD (even before duskblade changes). ITs not because all players monkeyed shaclone... Anyway they already planned to give shaco a big GU (or vgu)

fizz was replaced by something with no realistic counterplay, which is hilarious.

not less than his old version.

Leblanc... i don't agree, but in same time both version are toxic.

For Rengo, they already admit to have failed... And rengar was and is a divers (gameplay wise)..

Kyunsei8/7/2017, 10:34:45 AM2 votes

Fizz got changed since, he's quite okay now. (Ultimate doesn't clip that easily anymore, but it used to after the rework)

Shaco, LB and Rengar are still kind of fucked up, especially LB and Rengar.

Arakadia8/7/2017, 2:58:46 AM2 votes

You say "giving counterplay" like thats a bad thing.

WarHero548/7/2017, 9:04:06 PM1 votes

In Game of Thrones terms: Shaco is Theon Greyjoy and Riot is Ramsay Bolton. Tortured (Nerfed) him a while ago only to get this amazing moment where he thinks the Girls that come to give him a little pleasure (Assassin Rework) would give him something to finally be happy about or feel some sort of pleasure and Ramsey (Riot) insists on him to indulge..... Only then for it to be a ruse and excuse to castrate (take away Q damage altogether) him and nothing but more torture (nerfs) till he's broken and no longer Theon (assassin) but Reek (bruiser). A shell of his former self.

Jesuszilla8/7/2017, 9:29:55 PM1 votes

Wait, how is Fizz ultimate locked and targeted? it's the EXACT same mechanic as it was before in how it's used, the only difference is they reduced the benefit of the ultimate when used at point blank range (so that you can't just land on someone and prevent them from dodging the ultimate.)

Blutseuche8/8/2017, 2:28:57 AM1 votes

The Assassin rework was one of the worst updates i saw.

Shaco is trash, LB became broken af again and didnt fix any of the problems, Rengar was busted and nerfed into the ground, and now he is fucking horrible to play.

I think Fizz is in a bad spot aswell right now, but hey, atleast they buff him and gave him some decent counterplay, so i dont think he was a failure. Talon's rework wasnt bad at all, its an actual success. Zed is still Zed, even though i didnt like the change where they turned the reliable source of AD of his W into a situational one on his Ult.

Youre right, Assassins are all about killing, but lets take a small look at Dota 2. Bounty Hunter marks a target, and everyone who participates in the kill aswell as he himself, get extra gold from the kill. What i want to say with it?

Give Assassins some form of Utility that fits into their theme-

Make LeBlanc able to turn herself into a teammate till she casts a spell. Make Rengar be able to motivate allied Champions, empowering them in a way, when he gets to farm a lot of trophies from Champs AND Epic Monsters. Make Shaco be able to steal the Ultimate of an enemy Champion, when he has it on Cooldown, so he can "betray" the enemy team with their own spells. Make Zed be able to empower an ally with the Arts of Shadows, so he casts a weaker version of a basic spell periodically.

And so on and so on. Assassins main trademark isnt damage, its mobility. So Scouting an area isnt too hard with them, which most Assassins can already do. So why not reduce their damage for added Utility, so Assassins arent just a tierlist of "Who can put out the most, reliable damage within the shortest timeframe", but "What kind of added Utility could we use in our team?".

Rengar is a good example with the Vision he grants his team. Just expand on it.